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Offline blitz

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« Reply #30 on: January 15, 2003, 01:40:41 PM »
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Weasel needs to practice a bit more on his German.


Ja sind unsere Kinder in guten Händen.

I would prefer "Na, sind unsere Kinder in guten Händen?"

but it's quite ok like it is .

Regards Blitz :)
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« Reply #31 on: January 15, 2003, 01:41:13 PM »
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Well, I guess we don't want our teachers passing on any of their values or morals to our kids do we?


How would you feel about a teacher teaching your kids that it was moral to burn the flag, or that it was immoral to join the military?
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« Reply #32 on: January 15, 2003, 01:48:27 PM »
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How would you feel about a teacher teaching your kids that it was moral to burn the flag, or that it was immoral to join the military


Are you suggesting that they don't? Of course they do, maybe not in elementary school.

I'd rather kids learn from teachers with the same values as mine but it's foolish to believe that kids won't be influenced by the values of people they're around many hours of the day.

Maybe this kid learned something from this. Maybe he learned that some people, probably unlike his parents, have strong convictions that support for one's nation is essential if it is to endure.
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« Reply #33 on: January 15, 2003, 01:50:20 PM »
But Iron... blind support for a nation's government is not going to help the nation survive... but will lead to the government becoming to powerful and possibly lead the nation to it's knees.

Nazi Germany is the best example of that.
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« Reply #34 on: January 15, 2003, 01:51:42 PM »
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Since when is it illegal to say the "Pledge of Allegiance" in school? Since when is it illegal for a teacher to send a disruptive student out of class?

Ok, so you would prefer the computers, you may get your wish.

Time to turn the "Sig Heil" around on you libs.


Never said it was illegal to say the Pledge of Allegience. It is illegal to force students that wish not to pledge to pledge. I hardly find that a student refusing to stand and recite the pledge along with others is grounds for being "disruptive." The teacher could very well have let the non-pledging student just sit there silently (while the student exercised his right, mind you), while the rest of the class pledged. The class would have moved on to the lesson at hand. The teacher had to be a fanatic about "teaching" that student about his "morals" that it was the teacher, not the student that was disruptive.
The mindset of the teacher, reminds me of the times of Stalin, Hitler, McCarthyism, etc.
The ideal that one cannot dissent I find very unamerican and unpatriotic. Good thing our founding fathers had the foresight to dissent.
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« Reply #35 on: January 15, 2003, 01:58:52 PM »
If you guys could just see the toejam that teachers call the cops on kids for nowadays.  A fight at school amongst 13 year olds is a Class 6 felony.  Schools don't punnish anymore, they let the courts do it for them.  Tempest in a teakettle.

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« Reply #36 on: January 15, 2003, 01:59:45 PM »
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Since when is it illegal to say the "Pledge of Allegiance" in school? Since when is it illegal for a teacher to send a disruptive student out of class?
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he wasn't origanaly sent from the room for 'disruptive behavior', the origanal charge was-
"Laven told Woodbury to stand outside the classroom when he wouldn't say the Pledge of Allegiance in his U.S. history and constitution class last semester. "

and if you read the article you would see many violations of school regulations, constitutional law, and basic decency-

school reg. violation-
"students cannot be compelled to stand or recite the pledge. Pupils also should not be left outside of the classroom unsupervised"

constitutional law violation-
"A landmark 1943 U.S. Supreme Court case, West Virginia State Board of Education vs. Barnette, established that students cannot be compelled to recite the pledge."    I would assume this would include not only direct punishment, but also compelling them by singling them out or making them leave the class

basic decency-
"when her son presented a packet of information about students' rights to refuse to say the pledge, Laven threw the materials into a trash can and said he didn't care what the law is."

this man is a profesional teacher, he should know the rules and regs of his school.

he teaches a class on 'US history and constitution', he should be familiar with his subject matter.

and anybody who will not even look at the evedence compiled by the student shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a class on the constitution.

if I was a teacher, teaching about the constitution, I would be thrilled that a kid used the constitution, investigated his rights, and compiled evidence.   the hell with disceplining him the kid deserved extra-credit for his additional homework
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« Reply #37 on: January 15, 2003, 02:02:23 PM »
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Never said it was illegal to say the Pledge of Allegience. It is illegal to force students that wish not to pledge to pledge. I hardly find that a student refusing to stand and recite the pledge along with others is grounds for being "disruptive." The teacher could very well have let the non-pledging student just sit there silently (while the student exercised his right, mind you), while the rest of the class pledged. The class would have moved on to the lesson at hand. The teacher had to be a fanatic about "teaching" that student about his "morals" that it was the teacher, not the student that was disruptive.
The mindset of the teacher, reminds me of the times of Stalin, Hitler, McCarthyism, etc.
The ideal that one cannot dissent I find very unamerican and unpatriotic. Good thing our founding fathers had the foresight to dissent.


Are you saying then that the teacher was lying? Read it again, didn't the teacher say that the student called for others in the class to refuse the pledge? Is that not disruptive?

That you would assume so much and ignore the evidence in favor of a teenaged dissident tells me much about your character.
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« Reply #38 on: January 15, 2003, 02:09:12 PM »
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Are you saying then that the teacher was lying? Read it again, didn't the teacher say that the student called for others in the class to refuse the pledge? Is that not disruptive?

That you would assume so much and ignore the evidence in favor of a teenaged dissident tells me much about your character.


Perhaps it is you that should read a bit more. What you think of my character I couldn't care less. BTW, look at yourself in the mirror before you start claiming others of "assuming" things.
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« Reply #39 on: January 15, 2003, 02:17:24 PM »
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he wasn't origanaly sent from the room for 'disruptive behavior', the origanal charge was-
"Laven told Woodbury to stand outside the classroom when he wouldn't say the Pledge of Allegiance in his U.S. history and constitution class last semester. "


The written report cites that he was disruptive.

I won't argue that the teacher was upset by the refusal and that that was probably paramount in his mind. Nontheless, I believe the direction to leave the room was probably because of the disruption by the kid. Why would the teacher lie about something that is so easy to verify. Not like the punk was the only student in the room.
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« Reply #40 on: January 15, 2003, 02:18:29 PM »
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Perhaps it is you that should read a bit more. What you think of my character I couldn't care less. BTW, look at yourself in the mirror before you start claiming others of "assuming" things.


So typical of you Saburo, argue without refuting, don't know why I waste the effort.
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« Reply #41 on: January 15, 2003, 02:20:10 PM »
todays kids are wimps, back in my day if a kid refused to say the pledge, we would have just beat him up after school.
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« Reply #42 on: January 15, 2003, 02:20:58 PM »
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Why would the teacher lie about something that is so easy to verify. Not like the punk was the only student in the room.


Perhaps because his job might be on the line? Oh no, no one would ever lie.
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« Reply #43 on: January 15, 2003, 02:22:32 PM »
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So typical of you Saburo, argue without refuting, don't know why I waste the effort.


LOL, stop it!!  LOL! You are too funny  :rolleyes:
We're not even on the same page, I'll leave it at that.
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« Reply #44 on: January 15, 2003, 02:26:01 PM »
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Perhaps because his job might be on the line? Oh no, no one would ever lie.


As I said, lots of witnesses. Or do you think they'll all lie too, probably a Republican plot right? Never mind, don't bother to answer.
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