Ja sind unsere Kinder in guten Händen.

[Airhead]

Now now Steve, you're Swedish so you can't be expected to know about a gay murder that happened in Montana. Hell, once past Stockholm I can't name another Swedish city anyway.

I just think it's ironic a history and CONSTITUTION teacher would say "I don't care WHAT the law says, you will do as I say!" I could understand this from a wood shop teacher, or a PE teacher, or even an English teacher- but for a constitution teacher to not understand the constitution in dealing with his pupils is sad.

 So no wonder little Johnny can't read- neither can his teacher.

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by Airhead
Now now Steve, you're Swedish so you can't be expected to know about a gay murder that happened in Montana. Hell, once past Stockholm I can't name another Swedish city anyway.

I just think it's ironic a history and CONSTITUTION teacher would say "I don't care WHAT the law says, you will do as I say!" I could understand this from a wood shop teacher, or a PE teacher, or even an English teacher- but for a constitution teacher to not understand the constitution in dealing with his pupils is sad.

 So no wonder little Johnny can't read- neither can his teacher.

(pssssst - it was Wyoming)

[john9001]

whats a ""jelly dounght"?

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by Airhead
Now now Steve, you're Swedish so you can't be expected to know about a gay murder that happened in Montana. Hell, once past Stockholm I can't name another Swedish city anyway.

I just think it's ironic a history and CONSTITUTION teacher would say "I don't care WHAT the law says, you will do as I say!" I could understand this from a wood shop teacher, or a PE teacher, or even an English teacher- but for a constitution teacher to not understand the constitution in dealing with his pupils is sad.

 So no wonder little Johnny can't read- neither can his teacher.

But do you really think that is what happened?

Teacher: "Lets all stand up and recite the pledge of allegiance"

Kid: "But Sir, it is my constitutional right not to take that pledge."

Teacher:"Get out of my classroom you b*stard, I dont care what the constitution says, in my classroom you will stand on your head and pledge allegiance to a bowl of warm milk IF I SAY SO."

Kid: [leaves classroom] "Oh, no...'tis a sad day in our history, if only the founding fathers could see me now."


My guess (knowing what the classrooms look like these days) is more along these lines

Teacher: "Alright kids, return to your seats. Try to keep it quiet. MURPHY, put down that knife! Alright, as I was saying, now we are...[sound of Eminem rap music filling the classroom] BRIAN, TURN THAT THING OFF. [sound stops] What have I told you about playing rap music in class Brian?

Brian: "F*ck you"

Teacher: [pretends not to hear] "Ok, lets return to the pledge of allegiance.

Students: "Oh man...this is rediculous."

Teacher: "Stand up everyone."

Woodbury: "F*ck you man, we dont have to put up with this sh*t."

Teacher: "You too Woodbury, it will only take a minute."

Woodbury:"No f*cking way, the G man has opressed me and my people for as long as I can remember. They wont let me smoke pot, they wont let me blow stuff up. I say screw the government. We dont owe them anything, f*ck them and f*ck their lackeys the police."

Students: "Yaaay"

Teacher:"Alright Woodbury, you dont have to take the pledge. Just sit down and be quiet while the rest of class takes the pledge."

Woodbury:"No way, you cant force me to sit down, and besides, I dont think anyone else wants to take that stupid pledge anyway. I say f*ck the power, f*ck the government, and f*ck you mr teacher-as*hole."

Students:[laughing]

Teacher:"Get out of this classroom and cool off mister."

Woodbury:"F*ck you, I'm gonna go smoke a joint." [leaves]

[StSanta]

This patriotic crap is one thing I think is wrong about America. It's basically a brainwashing of children similar to what happens in North Korea and other such states.

We've seen the results on this board - unwillingness to accept that there might be problems in ones country, unwillingless to objectively analyse a situation involving ones own country.

And 'deth to amreeka' posts as soon as any critisism is voice. If that critzism comes from the other political camp, be it liberal or conservative, that is. Not that I don't like the humorous ones, but I don't think one can question weazel's patriotism. His views, aye, but not his patriotism.

In some cases he's pointing out situations where the government is meddling with your constitutional rights - to object to this is to be unamerican and unpatriotic.

[Airhead]

Steve, great scenario about life in an American classroom, and while I admit his class is closer to your depiction than the image of shiny scrubbed smiling faces all seated quietly in neat rows I have a couple of lingering doubts about this instructor's honesty.

Reading between the lines of his "warning" letter it was stated the child should not have been outside unsupervised. This leads me to believe the normal procedure for disruptive behavior is a visit to the principal's office. To have the child stand outside the classroom instead of visiting the principal's office raises a question- Did he have to stand there the entire class, or just during the saying of the Pledge of Allegence? If it was just during the Pledge then that indicates he was being punished solely for his refusal to say the Pledge.

If I were this kid's attorney I would research his genealogy, find a distant ancestor who might have been part Native American and sue the school district for a billion dollars for violating this kid's civil rights.

MT, Wyoming?? Really??

[H. Godwineson]

I strongly suspect Junior was "primed" to make that response before he want to school that morning.  Children often reflect the political and religious beliefs of their parents.  At times they can be quite obnoxious about it.  I wonder if the teacher was a veteran.  If so, Junior may have been deliberately yanking his chain.  Or the teacher may have been a butt-head.  None of us know the truth of the matter because we weren't there.  

Some students are honesty and civility.  Others are motivated only by a desire for attention or self-preservation.  If that was the case, we may never know the truth of the matter, for we won't get it from Junior.

Shuckins

[udet]

In other news, Hitler has been reincarnated in a school teacher.

[AKIron]

My sister and my other sister's husband are teachers. Both have taught various grades in the public school system. The crap that they have had to put up with from students, parents and even other teachers makes wonder why the hell anyone would want to do it. Things were a lot different when I was in public school.

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by Airhead

MT, Wyoming?? Really??

Yep, if you are talking about the kid who was beaten and left tied to a fence post.

Happened in Laramie, Kid was from Casper.

[StSanta]

Their choice Iron. Might be a hard job, but it is their choice.

One also has to recognize the power that comes with the job.The power to influence kids. TYhe power to be very dominating if that fits ones personality.

But yah, wouldn't want to be a teacher because of all the obnoxious kids.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by StSanta
Their choice Iron. Might be a hard job, but it is their choice.

One also has to recognize the power that comes with the job.The power to influence kids. TYhe power to be very dominating if that fits ones personality.

But yah, wouldn't want to be a teacher because of all the obnoxious kids.

Of course it's their choice. My brother-in-law even gave it up for a few years because of all the bs. Guess there was enough satisfaction to bring him back since he is now at it again.

Anyhow, my point was, why should we inflict such discouragement on people we need to teach our kids? Sooner or later even the most dedicated will give it up and all we'll have left are the ones that can't do anything else or are in it solely for the money and do a lousy job.

This kinda goes back to the patriotism thing. Sure, it's hip to be a dissenter. Proves how smart you are by not being suckered by the system. Of course what happens when there's no one to support the system?

[Gunthr]

I wouldn't last a week in a middle or high school as a teacher.

I would support any child who did not wish to say the Pledge of Allegience, though.

I would also strictly limit the WAY the child expressed his preference in my classroom. In the USA, teachers have more rights concerning discipline and control of children than you may think. For example, a police officer may not search a student for drugs unless there is  "probable cause." A teacher does not have to meet that standard.

I also consider that having a disruptive student stand outside the classroom all by him or herself for a period of time to contemplate their disrespect towards the teacher and the class to be totally age appropriate in middle school.

Unfortunately, we may not hear how this turns out. It just may be that when the facts are all in, they do not coincide at all with what some of you might mistakenly believe is the central issue here.

[Turdboy]

StSanta most of the negative responses to weazel are not "What" he says but "How" he says them.

[weazel]

You "conservatives" just can't stand to see your reflection in the mirror.

When someone like cabby drives by it's a mutual admiration society...and a back slapping good time, when I use the same tactics from a different view point I'm an unpatriotic mentally ill piece of toejam who should leave America.

Get over yourselves.

Originally posted by Turdboy
StSanta most of the negative responses to weazel are not "What" he says but "How" he says them.