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Offline Dago

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« on: January 15, 2003, 03:43:11 PM »
My sincere sympathies to the family of the Police Officer who lost his life at the hands of a knife weilding terrorist.  I do hope in the future, they send the Police in with a weapon if they perform raids in the future, they certainly have a right to defend themselves.

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« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2003, 04:14:23 PM »
If he had seen the business end of a HK MP5/10 I bet he would have dropped his knife.
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« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2003, 04:40:25 PM »
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If he had seen the business end of a HK MP5/10 I bet he would have dropped his knife.


Reading the article on the BBC's webpage, it sounds like the officers were taken by surprise when their guard was down.  I agree though, it's too bad that the officers didn't have any weapons to subdue the guy faster, before he could hurt all 4 officers.  

The article I read made this operation sound like a raid.  I know British police (London Metropolitan Police at least) do have special armed response cars equipped with MP5s.  Why wouldn't they have sent more heavily armed officers in if this was some kind of anti-terrorism raid?  

Can any UK guys fill me in on this?

Always a sad day when a cop gets hurt doing his job.
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« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2003, 04:42:29 PM »
He was stabbed long after the initial break-in during the raid. The prisoner was being put into one of the paper cover-alls, and he used the opportunity to grab a kitchen knife. The Special Branch detective was not wearing stab proof armour since he was not part of the initial break in team (which was equipped in that way).

But nice of you to score points only 24 hours after his death, in some on-going feud regarding gun ownership, dago. I thought you weren't interested in the gun ownership laws of other countries? No need to add,

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My sincere sympathies to the family of the Police Officer who lost his life at the hands of a knife weilding terrorist.


When you follow it up with,

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I do hope in the future... they certainly have a right to defend themselves.


Your intentions with this thread are crystal clear - no need for the clumsy use of smoke and mirrors.

"I'm soooo sorry he died..."

Pur-leaze. My eyes are incapable of rolling to an extent worthy of this thread.
« Last Edit: January 15, 2003, 04:51:59 PM by Dowding »
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« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2003, 04:44:07 PM »
Tarmac - people are asking just that question, considering raids of this nature in the past have generally been armed.
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« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2003, 05:12:48 PM »
Weasel...by the same token, if the same raid would have taken place in the US ALL of the cops could be dead.

The terrorists could have gone down to the local Bass Pro Store and picked up one of them MP5s or any hunting rifle, for that matter.

Fortunately the best they could find was a knife.  This fact probably saved the lives of the other cops in the raid.
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« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2003, 05:26:51 PM »
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Weasel...by the same token, if the same raid would have taken place in the US ALL of the cops could be dead.


wrong curval , if it happened in the US the bad guy would be dead and the cops would be on trial for violating his civil rights
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« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2003, 05:50:22 PM »
LOL MP5's are NOT for sale at the local Bass Pro!
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« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2003, 05:54:43 PM »
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Tarmac - people are asking just that question, considering raids of this nature in the past have generally been armed.


Thanks for the answer, Dowding.  Didn't mean to sound like I was trying to turn this into a gun debate and overlook the real issue: that a good man is dead.
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« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2003, 05:56:59 PM »
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LOL MP5's are NOT for sale at the local Bass Pro!


Well, then where is Weasel suggesting that I could get one to protect myself in the US?

I did also a say "or any hunting rifle...for that matter"...you must have missed that.
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« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2003, 06:03:51 PM »
Using this subject to score points is pretty crappy.

News24 said earlier that they'd already arrested and cuffed they guy. They then removed the cuffs to take some forrensic (DNA or fingerprint I guess) samples and the suspect tried to make a break for it, managed to fight his way into the kitchen and grab a knife. The DC who died was not a front line officer for this raid and consequently was not wearing any sort of body armour, he was just trying to subdue a suspect who'd gone mental after already being arrested.

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« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2003, 06:07:47 PM »
Sorry gatso..you are right.  Knee jerk reaction.
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I meant cops should be armed....
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2003, 06:15:16 PM »
And when a punk pulls a knife he should see the business end of a gun...in this case one spitting lead at 650 RPM.

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Well, then where is Weasel suggesting that I could get one to protect myself in the US?

I did also a say "or any hunting rifle...for that matter"...you must have missed that.
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« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2003, 06:44:39 PM »
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He was stabbed long after the initial break-in during the raid. The prisoner was being put into one of the paper cover-alls, and he used the opportunity to grab a kitchen knife. The Special Branch detective was not wearing stab proof armour since he was not part of the initial break in team (which was equipped in that way).

But nice of you to score points only 24 hours after his death, in some on-going feud regarding gun ownership, dago. I thought you weren't interested in the gun ownership laws of other countries? No need to add,



When you follow it up with,



Your intentions with this thread are crystal clear - no need for the clumsy use of smoke and mirrors.

"I'm soooo sorry he died..."

Pur-leaze. My eyes are incapable of rolling to an extent worthy of this thread.


Dowding, I didn't see it as Dago trying to score points on a gun issue. He didn't even say guns, he said weapon....

Anyway, I didn't see an attempt to flame a gun issue.... but I can't read his mind.
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« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2003, 06:46:56 PM »
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Tarmac - people are asking just that question, considering raids of this nature in the past have generally been armed.

So Tarmac can ask why they didn't have weapons and Dago cannot mention that he hopes they will be sent in with weapons in the future?
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