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Offline Boroda

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« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2003, 10:22:35 AM »
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It is clear that US Oil companies are pressuring Bush to remove Saddam Hussein because he would never ever sell oil to Amreeka.


Yes he'll prefer to f#$king starve.

Shit. If you want oil prices to go down - let Iraq export his oil anywhere.

But this is not enough. The baby wants it all. American control over Iraqi oil resources can be a beautiful instrument of political pressure. Countries like Saudi Arabia will be unable to threaten US with their oil expotrs. Russian economics, as well as some other oil exporters will be in great economical trouble since US control will drop oil prices as low as possible.

The most frightening thing is that agressors don't need any decent casus belli to just come and get what they want. The reasons for the upcoming war are so ridiculous that even 1999 brainwashing campaign with poor Serbs looks quite reasonable.

Weazel, they will never let anyone know the real losses in this war.

"Why of course the people don't want war ... But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship ... Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger." — Hermann Goering, Nazi leader, at the Nuremberg Trials after World War II

Couldn't resist from taking this quote from a hallucinational site about WTC attack...

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« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2003, 10:43:06 AM »
What do you know about chemical warfare?

Any idea how many casualties (1) VX loaded shell fired into a group of soldiers not in full MOPP 4 posture will cause?

How long does it take an individual soldier to get into full MOPP 4 posture?

Do you have any idea how a person exposed to one of these agents is treated medically?

How about blister or biological agents?

Final question, it's probably clear to Saddam that he's going to die this time....no ands, ifs, or buts about it...if he has any chance of inflicting the largest amount of casualties on U.S. soldiers do you think he will grab the opportunity to do so?

Like I said, make sure you look the other way when the body bags come home...

But hey...it's all good, you will continue to get cheap gas for your SUV, just remember everytime you fill up the tank to give thanks that it wasn't you who had to pay the ultimate price for President WASA's greed.

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hey , the USA can use the 50,000 body bags they have left over from the gulf war, you remember the "gulf war" , THE MOTHER OF ALL BATTLES

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« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2003, 10:45:32 AM »
Yeager, think about it. Those aircraft are violating Iraqi airspace, if this were happening to the US be damned certain there would be firing as well.
Saddam has stated he does not recognize the no-fly zones.
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« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2003, 10:52:18 AM »
Ahh yes hidden losses in afganistan.  What are we up to know boroda, last time I checked that russian scam of a websight, US had lost over 60 airplanes shot down and three thousand soldiers killed.  That was half a year ago.  Should be twice that by now.  Probably up to 1000 planes destroyed and 20,000 troops killed but the facist american administration is hiding all that.

Someone is one hell of a fool here and it aint me.
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« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2003, 10:53:45 AM »
Ping think about it.  Iraq surrendered.
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« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2003, 10:56:44 AM »
The bleeding heart Libs say there ARE no weapons of mass destruction.So exactly what WMD are we going to be faceing in Iraq?I mean ya cant have it both ways.Hes got em or he doesnt.Alot of evidence leads one to think he does.We KNOW for a fact he had them and he still refuses to say what happened to them other than they were destroyed.No statement of where they were destroyed.That could probebly be verified.But regardless,they dont have any cause the in the know types in DC and Berkley all say its so.

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« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2003, 10:58:01 AM »
MOHAMMED SAID AL-SAHAF, Minister for Foreign Affairs of Iraq, said the comprehensive sanctions imposed on his country, now in their eleventh year, amounted to genocide. They constituted a flagrant violation of the Charter and of international law and international humanitarian law. That had been confirmed by reports of United Nations agencies and humanitarian and human rights organizations, the most recent being a working paper adopted by the Subcommission on the Promotion and Protection of Human Rights at its fifty- second session held in Geneva from 31 July to 18 August this year.

The United States and British claims that the “oil-for-food” programme alleviated the impact of sanctions against Iraq proved baseless when set against United Nations figures, he said. Of the $31.6 billion worth of oil exported by Iraq since the start of the programme, $9.5 billion had been allocated to the Compensation Fund in Geneva and $1 billion for United Nations administrative expenses. He said $8.3 billion had been disbursed for purchases to cover the needs of the Iraqi people. There were "floating and semi-frozen allocations" for certain needs of Iraq amounting to $10 billion that had not been disbursed because of the obstructions placed by the United States and the United Kingdom. "Such egregious obstructions" had resulted in 1,173 contracts for construction materials valued at more than $2 billion being put on hold.

He said the Security Council, in applying comprehensive sanctions against Iraq, had gone far beyond the purposes and principles of the Charter, so as to “turn itself into a cover for perpetrating a policy of genocide against an entire people”. His country was being subjected to "a continued daily aggression by American and British aircraft" in the no-flight zone imposed on Iraq by "a unilateral decision of the Washington and London Governments". The continued military action had no basis in law or in any binding resolution passed by the competent organ of the United Nations. Those American and British acts of aggression had inflicted huge material losses and a loss of more than 300 martyrs and injuries to 900 civilians.


His country was being subjected to "a continued daily aggression by American and British aircraft" in the no-flight zone imposed on Iraq by "a unilateral decision of the Washington and London Governments". The continued military action had no basis in law or in any binding resolution passed by the competent organ of the United Nations.

Think about it. They have been operating out of the UN mandate.
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« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2003, 10:58:42 AM »
All information from the UN website.
21 September 2000

Press Release
GA/9778

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« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2003, 11:00:21 AM »
I thank God that we didnt have all this "Anti war toejam" going on in WW2.Our grandparents would be discusted to see the "American" people acting the way they are in Berkley and across the nation.Had we acted the same way in WW2 we could all be goose tepping right now.To say Saddam isnt a threat to the mid east is a fantasy.Hes allready used WMD on his own people.The area is dirt poor due to him taking every $ he can to build his personal playground.He needs to go.

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« Reply #24 on: January 17, 2003, 11:04:08 AM »
No...he used WMD against Iranians and American and Iranian supplied Kurds. Not his own people. If you wish to state facts, get them right.

America has used WMD against Germans , Japanese and Countless thousands of civilians, are we to expect from that that they will use them against us?
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« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2003, 11:14:50 AM »
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Ahh yes hidden losses in afganistan.  What are we up to know boroda, last time I checked that russian scam of a websight, US had lost over 60 airplanes shot down and three thousand soldiers killed.  That was half a year ago.  Should be twice that by now.  Probably up to 1000 planes destroyed and 20,000 troops killed but the facist american administration is hiding all that.

Someone is one hell of a fool here and it aint me.


Did I say something about Afghanistan? Russian "scam of a websight"? Maybe you saw http://www.kavkaz.org? Soviet Army lost 13500 people in 10 years, against partizans equiped and fed by the USA. I doubt that limited operations by US troops will reach 1350 people lost every year.

If you don't understand what I mean - I am damn sure your last sentence isn't true.

Any comments regarding my other thoughts? Or you agree that they make sence? :D

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« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2003, 11:17:13 AM »
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America has used WMD against Germans , Japanese and Countless thousands of civilians, are we to expect from that that they will use them against us?


WMD against Germans and "Countless thousands of civilians"? I missed somthing?

BTW, when atomic bombs were used against Japan - they were not considered WMD, at least by international conventions.

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« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2003, 11:19:24 AM »
Ahh Ping, I think I have you pegged.  Pro Hussein, anti american.  Is this a fair assesement?

3 Qs for you:

When did US military use a WMD against Germany?
Was the use of atomics then justified against Japan?
Would the use of atomics today be justified against USA?

Not that it matters, just curious about your political rationale.
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« Reply #28 on: January 17, 2003, 11:19:32 AM »
Ping, Hawk...

what is your solution (or approach) to the Iraq problem?  What should we do if not go to war?
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« Reply #29 on: January 17, 2003, 11:24:28 AM »
Remember one thing.Every time we kicked someone into line,Japan,Germany et all,we rebuilt what we took out.Do you see Saddam trying to do anything other than execute Kurds?  And really,what WMD did we use in Germany? Please dont say B 17's