Author Topic: third reich: the final days scenario (Read 1499 times)

Zigrat · « **on:** February 20, 2001, 06:46:00 PM »

we need one of these

starting in late 44, through teh ardennes and up to the fall of berlin.

we have the planeset for it, we can even include both fronts!
all we really need are il-2, t-34, and sherman.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE.

newguy · « **Reply #1 on:** February 20, 2001, 08:13:00 PM »

wouldnt mind having the Me262 for this scenario, which would be an awesome one.

funked · « **Reply #2 on:** February 20, 2001, 08:34:00 PM »

Late 44? How about an Il-10 then.

funked · « **Reply #3 on:** February 20, 2001, 08:36:00 PM »

Also, this isn't going to be a fun scenario for the Axis players unless we handicap the Allies like in Afrika Korps. I have no problem with that, but everybody needs to realize that it's not going to be 100% historical.

Torgo · « **Reply #4 on:** February 20, 2001, 08:44:00 PM »

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Originally posted by funked:
Also, this isn't going to be a fun scenario for the Axis players unless we handicap the Allies like in Afrika Korps. I have no problem with that, but everybody needs to realize that it's not going to be 100% historical.

You mean you DON'T want the Allies to have a 12:1 advantage in aircraft numbers? Heretic! :-)

Nath-BDP · « **Reply #5 on:** February 20, 2001, 08:55:00 PM »

Try 20:1

Seeker · « **Reply #6 on:** February 20, 2001, 09:01:00 PM »

Wiether it's fun or not for the Axis depends on their objective.

It could be, for instance, to defend Berlin AND Peenemunde AND the Rhur for three weeks (six frames, one mid-week, one weekend), at which point their atom bomb and it's delivery sytem will be deemed as developed, and the allies forced to terms.......

This may seem more of a not losing, than a win, but then it's only the obverse of the Battle of Britain.

Those Ta drivers would be the last of the few.

P-38's over Berlin the first of the many.

We DO have the planes for this (but a mosquito would be nice!)

Just saying..

Zigrat · « **Reply #7 on:** February 20, 2001, 09:02:00 PM »

i was thinking a force ratio in the range of 1:1 on the ground and 2:1 in the air would be fun but still make some semblance of numbers reality.

Torgo · « **Reply #8 on:** February 21, 2001, 12:13:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Nath-BDP:
Try 20:1

Ah, that bad? Only number I knew is that it was 12:1 on the Eastern Front in 44. 20:1 Overall in 45? I can buy that.

Ok, so we let 20 guys fly Axis in the Scenario. Each frame, only 10 of the guys get fuel, the other 10 sit on the runway in their planes the whole frame, but can't take off :-)

Peeradow · « **Reply #9 on:** February 21, 2001, 04:08:00 AM »

20:1?
Sounds great.. many many targets

Pirado

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Nashwan · « **Reply #10 on:** February 21, 2001, 02:01:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Zigrat:
we need one of these

starting in late 44, through teh ardennes and up to the fall of berlin.

we have the planeset for it, we can even include both fronts!
all we really need are il-2, t-34, and sherman.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE.

Yes, this will be wonderful. RAF squads can fly their 1942 Spit F IXs, and 1941 Typhoons.

Zigrat · « **Reply #11 on:** February 21, 2001, 02:30:00 PM »

you are getting tempest whiney rafwhiner

and the spit we have is a '43 spit not a 42

funked · « **Reply #12 on:** February 21, 2001, 02:41:00 PM »

Nope Zig it's a 1942 F Mk. IX with Merlin 61. The very earliest Mk. IX, mostly converted Mk. V airframes.

A 1943 Spitfire IX would be and F with Merlin 63, LF with Merlin 66, or HF with Merlin 70.

The LF was by far the most numerous and is about 20 mph faster than our current F at low levels. Sea level climb rate was in excess of 4500 fpm. This version also had clipped wings enabling roll rates at low speeds superior to even the Fw 190 (according to NACA). Spitfire LF Mk. XVI was almost identical but used an American-built version of the Merlin 66 (Merlin 266).

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Jekyll · « **Reply #13 on:** February 21, 2001, 06:01:00 PM »

Hmm.. I wonder who wrote the following to me in an email?

"SUPPOSEDLY our Spit IX is an F. Mk. IX from 1942 with the Merlin 61. But from every source I've looked at, our plane is performing like a 1944 HF. Mk. IX which had the Merlin 70. There is very large difference in performance between these two engines."

First correct guess wins an all-expense paid ride in a Ta-152 in the Training Arena

You wanna go first Funked?

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Zigrat · « **Reply #14 on:** February 21, 2001, 07:43:00 PM »

you have performance docs on those spits?