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« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2003, 03:07:55 PM »
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« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2003, 03:09:50 PM »
Betcha the E2 will not forget to sign next time ;)
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« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2003, 03:36:55 PM »
terms like "instant willing obedience to orders" comes to mind.

I remember the first ime I heard someone say "why" in the Marines.  Poor bastard had to make three trips to the dentist to ge back to normal.

It's my thinking (as a former NCO) if this little turn can't get a freaking sign in sheet right, what is he going to diddly up when bullets are flying?  How many people are going to die because of him?  This sounds bad, but this how you have to think.  There is no such thing as a minor infraction.

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« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2003, 04:05:42 PM »


Sorry creamo, I couldn't find one of your look-a-like Richard Simmons.

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« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2003, 04:41:20 PM »
heh, my post cut deep, didnt it.

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« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2003, 04:59:46 PM »
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Why is that?  Because my friend complained about some incompetent NCO who doesn't know how to treat people?  Todays troops are more educated and politically savy than ever.  No need to treat them like mindless neanderthals. That style of leadership should have been thrown out after the 'old' army lost 2 wars. Theres also no reason to berate someone over something minor, especially in a non-combat zone.  

The army you were in 30 years ago had a morale level lower than whale crap and was a source of national embarrassment.  It wasn't until the first Gulf War that a sense of pride was restored in our military.


david, I hereby award you the first ever Elfenwolf Troll Award. This Award is given whenever a poster manages to spew horseshit that is actually taken seriously by the majority of the Community. Some may hate you for this, but I admire your artform. And who can say trolling isn't art? After all, they eat babies in China and call that art.

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« Reply #21 on: January 18, 2003, 05:20:01 PM »
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After all, they eat babies in China and call that art.


No they dont eat them, they just kill them, and call that "abortion".

But that is something they do in lots of places outside China too.

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« Reply #22 on: January 18, 2003, 05:43:59 PM »
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No they dont eat them, they just kill them, and call that "abortion".

But that is something they do in lots of places outside China too.


The award has already been given steve, try again next week ;)

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« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2003, 05:46:52 PM »
shh dont ruin it.

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« Reply #24 on: January 19, 2003, 01:57:38 AM »
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You; child, are a tool. No, let me expand on that... you are a clueless media tool. .

You expect the morale of the nations Army to be good when their lives are being squandered as barganing chips? Do you think the morale on Omaha Beach was good when the troops were pinned in the sand and surf? Morale has toejam to to with unit pride, loyalty and duty, boy. The 'war' in Vietnam would have been over in months if we were allowed to fight it as a WAR.


So morale was horrible.  But unit pride was great right?  Yeah, thats why there were so many fratricides from 70-73.

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Item...the Army I served in was neither a national embarrasement nor imcompetent.


Oh yes, everyone was very pleased with the military.  This is why people were spitting, throwing urine, and even shooting returning combat veterans.  In fact, everyone was so pleased with our military that returning veterans were immediately issued civilian clothing and told not to ride public transportation.  As for imcompetency, that varied greatly from unit to unit.

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What? Surely you need to recheck you airsupply. An 18 year old infantry man in 1969 ain't one bit smarter than an 18 year old infantryman in 2003.


In 1969 the ranks were filled with some volunteers, and those who couldn't get out of the draft.  Over half the people drafted were somehow able to evade serving.  This equates to the lower socio-economic sections of the population serving.  Today its guys who are college students looking for tuition deferment that are serving.  Education and intelligence are two different things.  Today's trooper is much more educated than the Vietnam era soldier.

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Ah the crux.. listen up, puppy. The military is not a debating society, our military has not lost a war yet, and berating a pinhead E-2 that does not correctly comply with proccedure is the LEAST the E-5 could have done and kept HIS stripes.

Tell yer pal to get the hell outta my military. I don't want rutabagas guarding my nation.


This wasn't in boot camp.  It was some low life individual, like yourself, who didn't know how to treat his troops.  This was not some isolated incident either.  The U.S. has quite a few low quality NCOs running around screaming, probably not knowing which end of an M16 is up.  And where do you get that these are the views of my friend?  Bill is a veteran of the first Gulf War (aircraft armorer on a carrier) who was just serving out the rest of his time in the reserves.  But if you want, I can pull in a whole list of sources to show that U.S. NCOs have been degrading in quality.

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roadkill! that is especially the time when ya berate someone for screwing up.


If I recall correctly, didn't you serve in the Soviet Army milnko?  I can understand with conscription and such that your army would have had some uncooperative individuals.  But the U.S. military is all volunteer, and this means that troopers actually want to know how to do their job.

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« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2003, 02:16:43 AM »
Damn David, You just keep going and going. OK, to your Elfenwolf Troll Medal I hereby award the Misinformed By History Books "V" for BBS Valor Pin to be affixed upon your Elfenwolf Troll Medal. Man if you keep this up you might be the Audie Murphy of the bbs.
LOL I would comment on your statements but hey, what's the point? You already know it all anyway.

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« Reply #26 on: January 19, 2003, 05:30:24 AM »
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The 'war' in Vietnam would have been over in months if we were allowed to fight it as a WAR.


Elaborate, Hangtime. I've heard this many times. I've heard that the stockpiles of SAMs in Hochi Minh City were off-limits until they were placed in their launchers, but what other changes would have been made? Perhaps a more ruthless treatment of the local population? Genuinely interested.

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...our military has not lost a war yet...


And Vietnam?
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« Reply #27 on: January 19, 2003, 08:17:33 AM »
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If I recall correctly, didn't you serve in the Soviet Army milnko?  I can understand with conscription and such that your army would have had some uncooperative individuals.  But the U.S. military is all volunteer, and this means that troopers actually want to know how to do their job.
???????? I dunno where ya got that idea.

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« Reply #28 on: January 19, 2003, 08:25:57 AM »
I think he was thinking of miko2d who was in Ukranian army.

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« Reply #29 on: January 19, 2003, 09:59:41 AM »
second class after 8 years? what the hell did you do?