Author Topic: Early War Plane Set Deficiencies (Read 1938 times)

Shuckins · « **on:** January 18, 2003, 10:12:02 AM »

Why is there no "Oscar" or "Claude" in AH? This seems to be a glaring deficiency in the early war plane set.

Shuckins

Jester · « **Reply #1 on:** January 18, 2003, 07:16:46 PM »

The OSCAR was a major player in the Pacific war all the way through and should be added to the plane set.

The CLAUDE on the other hand only saw major action in China very early in the war. By the time the US got into the war the CLAUDE was mainly used for reserve squadrons and training.

IMO we need other Japanese a/c in the plane-set worse than these. We really need FRANK,TOJO, JUDY & GRACE

Karnak · « **Reply #2 on:** January 18, 2003, 07:49:43 PM »

Shuckins,

Why only ask for junk Japanese aircraft? The Japanese are already loaded with junk aircraft when compared to the US.

Why not demand crap US aircraft?

whgates3 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 18, 2003, 10:40:32 PM »

Oscar is not a crap plane, just under gunned. if pilot is a good shot, i'd bet Ki-43 could kick ass...it might have been the most manuverable monoplane fighter of WWII

Grendel · « **Reply #4 on:** January 19, 2003, 08:58:46 AM »

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Originally posted by whgates3
Oscar is not a crap plane, just under gunned. if pilot is a good shot, i'd bet Ki-43 could kick ass...it might have been the most manuverable monoplane fighter of WWII

Claude was remarkably more maneuverable than Oscar

But of the modern designs, Ki-43, my Hayabusa, yes it was uniquely maneuverable. Extremerely. Especially in turning ability with the help of the butterfly combat flaps. Nothing could follow the Hayabusa in turn.

And that's why I loved my Hayabusa in WarBirds ;-) It was always a pleasure to fight in, even though getting kills with the 2x12.7s took a lot of patience. Good thing that most Spitifre pilots always trust that they can out turn anything else in the skies. WRRRROOOONG! ;-)

The later cannon equipped version of Ki-43 could be quite fantastic rides, too.

F4UDOA · « **Reply #5 on:** January 19, 2003, 09:46:39 AM »

There were such outstanding mid to late war Japanese A/C I just can't see why people are so crazy about birds they will never fly in the MA as anything more than a novelty.

The Grace is an outstanding torpedo bomber

The Ki-44 Tojo is a lighter gunned NIK2 and had a thousand times greater impact than the George.

The Gekko was an incredible beautiful bomber killer with great performance. And we don't have any japanese twin fighters. So this bird could fill two rolls.

Take a look at the kill stats for the Kate and Grace. Does anyone fly them? Who would fly the Oscar and Claude?? Would you?

Grace
Gekko
Ki-44
Me-410
Later version Ju-88
TU-2
T-34
M-4 or M-18

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #6 on:** January 19, 2003, 10:01:12 AM »

We need an early US P39/P400 and a Finnish Buffalo. A mid production Ki43 also be great for really the whole war, as it sucks just enought to not be owerpowing early on and they did serve for the entire war.

Shuckins · « **Reply #7 on:** January 19, 2003, 02:51:48 PM »

Many of the LW Japanese fighters weren't built in nearly the same numbers as the Oscar or the Claude. I suspect the early war planes of all nations would be a whale of a lot more fun to fly in a dogfight than the higher powered, and much heavier, late-war fighters.

Shuckins

J_A_B · « **Reply #8 on:** January 19, 2003, 07:19:29 PM »

The A5M Claude was not a factor in WW2. It is commonly confused with the Ki-27 "Nate", which did see some use early in WW2, mostly as the AVG "Flying Tigers" main opponent.

The "Nate" would be a worthless piece of trash in AH--armed only with 2 light machine guns and not able to reach 300 MPH in level flight at any altitude (it's about as fast as the Ju-88). The Ki-43 Oscar could fill in for the Nate in any scenario since they flew in the same areas at the same time, and is a better plane (good enough that it's not totally worthless in an early-war matchup).

If you want maneuverability, you want the Soviet I-16....more maneuverable than the Oscar and better armed, too.

Still, the later Ki-84 is a vastly more important addition than any of those

J_A_B

Karnak · « **Reply #9 on:** January 19, 2003, 10:58:21 PM »

Shuckins,

The Ki.43 Hayabusa "Oscar" was the second most produced Japanese fighter. You are correct about that. 5,919 Ki.43s were built.

However, the late war Ki.84 was the third most produced Japanese fighter and had the highest one year production total of any Japanese aircraft ever. 3,514 Ki.84s were built.

The Ki.27 "Nate" was produced in large numbers (unlike the Navy eqivilent A5M "Claude"), but like the A5M the Ki.27 played no real role in WWII. This is especially true as only the P-40B is available as a historical opponent in AH. 3,399 Ki.27s were built.

So, as you can see, you're blanket statement about late war Japanese fighters is not true.

I do think that a Ki.43-II is a required aircraft for AH as some point, but as the Japanese have been getting the turkeys for awhile I think the Ki.84 would be a better addition at this time.

Jester · « **Reply #10 on:** January 20, 2003, 03:22:19 AM »

Hey GRENDEL, do you remember the guy from WARBIRDS that used to set up the massive OSCAR raids? What was his name? He was really hot on the OSCAR and used to fly it all the time - VERY WELL I might add.

The OSCAR would carry 2x500 kg bombs and there would be like 20+ planes on a raid. Was a heck of a sight! Went on several.

Sabre · « **Reply #11 on:** January 20, 2003, 08:12:02 AM »

Ki-43 AND Ki-84 are both sorely needed. I for one loved flying the Oscar in WB. It would fill a valuable role in scenarios and the CT, as would the Ki-84. I'd be hard pressed to decide which is more important to me personally. I hardly ever fly in the MA, so I'd probably say the Oscar should come first.

Sabre
CT Staff

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 20, 2003, 09:20:20 AM »

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Why only ask for junk Japanese aircraft? The Japanese are already loaded with junk aircraft when compared to the US.

That's why they should add the p36 and brewster buffalo to.
Together with the early p40b it would be nice.

Mathman · « **Reply #13 on:** January 20, 2003, 11:56:12 AM »

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Originally posted by Karnak
Why not demand crap US aircraft?

Because there is no such thing.

Grendel · « **Reply #14 on:** January 20, 2003, 03:59:50 PM »

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Originally posted by Andijg
Hey GRENDEL, do you remember the guy from WARBIRDS that used to set up the massive OSCAR raids? What was his name? He was really hot on the OSCAR and used to fly it all the time - VERY WELL I might add.

The OSCAR would carry 2x500 kg bombs and there would be like 20+ planes on a raid. Was a heck of a sight! Went on several.

Uh oh, don't remember...

Icebreakers did same at times. And quite efficiently

It was a capable jabo with the bombload and the double MGs could shatter AA as well. Vulchi... ahem SUPPRESSING enemy air tryign to take off was harder though

Wonderful, very enjoyable plane to fly. I wish the AH folks would get some day the pleasure of trying it. And the stupid Spit driver who'd try to turn with it ;-)