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« on: January 19, 2003, 01:36:31 PM »
As far as I know, no European states have a death penalty any longer, although quite a few countries did within the past 40 years. Britain had hanging. The national mood changed on a day when there was to be a hanging, and people would be talking about it at school.

More recently, I’ve read ”The Hangman’s Tale”, the autobiography of Syd Dernley, who served the government as a professional hangman. When I read this book, I came to realise that such executions were much more swift than I could have imagined. The condemned person would have been assessed – the person’s weight was critical, as this determined the distance of the drop which itself was controlled by the length of the rope which was attached to a wooden beam by means of a metal peg. The peg could be inserted into one of a number of holes arranged vertically in the beam to alter its effective length. Someone of small stature might have to be dropped 7’6” or even 8’, but for a large man the drop would need to be only about 6’6”. Forget TV dramatisations with the Priest, the glass of brandy etc.; it wasn’t like that. Dernley and crew would burst into the cell, the condemned person would be seized, rushed into the adjoining gallows room and blindfolded, and his feet bound together with a leather strap. Once the rope had been put around his neck and the noose tightened, the crew vacated the platform, the lever was pulled and the floor fell away. Dernley assures the reader that in most cases, this entire procedure was over in about 8 or 9 seconds. We are also led to believe that death was instantaneous, the neck being broken like a dried twig. Dernley and his team would then go to enjoy a breakfast of bacon and eggs, returning some 45 minutes later to take down the body. The death penalty in Britain was abolished in 1965.

In France, there was the guillotine, which seemed to be a somewhat foolproof method. I never heard of any botched jobs. Spain had a firing squad, and also garrotting. I didn’t like the sound of garrotting at all. Some sort of strangulation which culminates in the snapping of the spinal cord.

That’s all history now, with the USA as the only remaining country in the civilised western world to retain capital punishment. I am actually in favour of the death penalty. I feel that if murder has been committed, the perpetrator deserves to forfeit his or her own life. However, I also believe that there should be no spectacle. It should be as humane as possible, regardless of the crime committed. But what method would that be? Is there any “nice” way to go?

In 1981 when I was living in Illinois, the execution of Steve Judy was carried out in the electric chair of the neighbouring state of Indiana. I saw Judy interviewed on TV, and he was just a few years younger than I was. He had killed three girls in front of their mother, and then killed the mother. A heinous crime indeed, and there is no doubt that Judy deserved to die – he said so himself. He could have intervened on his own behalf and had the sentence commuted to life imprisonment, but didn’t. The damnedest thing is that he seemed so rational in those TV interviews.

I couldn’t sleep that night. The following day, news of Judy’s execution was announced by the newscaster Sam Donaldson, who actually made two errors. The first error was that the voltage used was given as 23 thousand volts – the initial voltage was actually 23 hundred volts. And the second error was that he was grinning from ear to ear as he said it. My gut reaction to that was “you ****ing ***t. A measure of decorum would have been appropriate there”. Yeah I know, some crimes are bad, but it does not behove a civilised society to glorify the moment at which a condemned man is put to death.

I have often wondered which choice of execution method I would make if I were a condemned man facing capital punishment, were I to be in that unfortunate position, and were such choice to be offered. Electric chair? Surely the most terrifying form. Gas Chamber? Not pleasant. Firing squad? Probably swift, but violent. Lethal injection? Possibly the best of a bad bunch – what do you think? Maybe hanging wasn’t so bad after all...

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« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2003, 01:50:35 PM »
these threads are already out of style.
try to find a new subject for argument please.

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« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2003, 01:53:31 PM »
Animal - :confused: -there is no argument.

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« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2003, 01:55:33 PM »
everything here is an arguement waiting to happen.

even if no one will care to read your giant wall of text

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« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2003, 02:32:43 PM »
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I have often wondered which choice of execution method I would make if I were a condemned man facing capital punishment, were I to be in that unfortunate position, and were such choice to be offered. Electric chair? Surely the most terrifying form. Gas Chamber? Not pleasant. Firing squad? Probably swift, but violent. Lethal injection? Possibly the best of a bad bunch – what do you think? Maybe hanging wasn’t so bad after all...


I would choose old age. If that option wasn't available I'd pick lethal injection. I would like to say the possibility of me being condemned to die is a remote one, but lately it seeme we're executing alot of innocent people so it is a possibility.

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« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2003, 04:49:20 PM »
I dislike the mob mentality that goes with capital punishment; the glee taken in the killing. Those closely affected by the crime I can understand and empathise with - those that watch the events on TV are self-righteously leeching off a crappy situation all round.

Still, if you could remove all doubt from the equation I would have no problem with taking a life for a life. I'm not a Christian so I don't have to abide by laws such as 'Thou shalt not kill'. Reasonable doubt is a very subjective thing, so I'm against the death penalty.

Hanging seems quite humane, the guiletine too. Then of course their's stoning to death using stones of a size determined by legislature.
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Not trying to be too morbid, but.........
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2003, 05:08:35 PM »
IMO, society has become more savage the more "civilized" we have become.
Talk to some of the old timers who remember the public executions, they felt and still feel that seeing what fate awaited you should you commit a serious enough crime to warrant a death penalty deterred some criminals.  No one wanted to be seen swinging from a gallows, watched by the public as they kicked and twitched in their death throes...........
Nowadays, we give them privacy, albeit limited, as some are allowed to witness the executions.  Lethal injections, painless to the condemned.  Same with the gas chamber.  Torture then murder a person or persons, you will get an easy death, no pain, just go to sleep.....pure BS IMHO.
Maybe some thought should be given to making a more serious, striking impact on potential criminals.  Letting them see firsthand what will happen "might" make them think twice.
A subject like this really has too many variables for any one thing to be the ideal solution.  But my thinking is that if someone is going to commit a savage heinous crime, then their penalty should be of the "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" type.  Savage, brutal crimes equating to a savage, brutal death.

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« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2003, 05:23:40 PM »
It does have proven recidivism rate of zero though.
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« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2003, 05:29:16 PM »
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It does have proven recidivism rate of zero though.


Nah, it puts it into the negatives.

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« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2003, 05:35:35 PM »
florida put ted bundy to death

ted bundy will never rape and kill another young women

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« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2003, 05:47:27 PM »
Neither will the innocent people that have been put to death.  But then again, they never killed or raped anyone to begin with.

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« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2003, 05:47:36 PM »
I think today's level of criminal science should silence the old arguments of the possibility of killing an innocent man but there should be absolutely no doubt and DNA evidence securing the conviction to be able to issue the death sentence. The way they do it? well it may not be very christian but perhaps the moment of terror as they are dragged from the cell to the gallows as you described above might just be what they deserved after subjecting someone else to such terror.

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« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2003, 12:35:56 AM »
Give the condemned a dose of oral barbituates to put them to sleep. Give a lethal dose of carbon monoxide after they are asleep. Only for those that are truly guilty without a reasonable doubt. Only if we're to have a death penalty.
Otherwise, life in prison w/o entertainment and w/o exercise. Given life imprisonment w/ DNA proof, they should spend the rest of their lives behind bars w/o the automatic costly appeals. The prisoner can then choose of his or her freewill to end their lives using the above sample. Heck of a lot cheaper than how it's done now.
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« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2003, 12:39:48 AM »
Real life version of The Running Man, complete with a fat guy lit up like a Christmas tree, live on pay-per-view!  Proceeds could go to the schools.


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« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2003, 02:08:27 AM »
If I was going to be executed and I could pick the method, I'd pick the electric chair.

Lethal injection bothers me.....I don't like needles  :)

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