Author Topic: Blitzkreig! 1940 (Read 1043 times)

Nefarious · « **on:** January 22, 2003, 10:05:02 AM »

Hello, Some of you may know me from Weds nights, Just to let ya know, I will be doing TOD's now. So here we go, read the info and post where you would like to be placed for the next Friday TOD.

May 10th 1940

The Germans have launched Operation Gelb. Army Group C holds the German frontier opposite the French Maginot line, while Army Group A makes the main attack through the Ardennes. Army Group B makes a secondary advance through Belgium and Holland to draw the Allies North. The advance moves with lighting speed, And within days the Dutch Army surrenders to the German onslaught. On the 20th Abbeville is captured and the Germans have reached the Channel. As the Germans continue to attack in Belgium the BEF prepare for a full-scale evacuation from Dunkirk. Then as if by divine intervention, Hitler orders his panzers to stop advancing. Goering boasts his luftwaffe will single handedly annihilate the BEF at Dunkirk. And so began the largest sea-borne evacuation to ever take place. The RAF Spitfire saw its first combat along side RAF and BEF Hurricanes during the evacuation. By June 4th the Royal Navy has evacuated 338,226 men from Dunkirk, of which 112,000 are French.

RAF/BEF/FAF

Hurricane Mk I
Spitfire MK I*

Luftwaffe

Bf 109E
Bf 110C
Ju 87D
Ju 88A*

*Limited Usage, or Airfield Location Restrictions.

Arena Settings

Icons short
Radar off
Kill Shooter off
Fuel 1.00
Downtime 8 (2 hours)
Terrain Europe
No Fleet gunners

Bonden · « **Reply #1 on:** January 22, 2003, 10:37:53 AM »

Hya Nefarious - still working in town??

Bonden

Vulcan · « **Reply #2 on:** January 22, 2003, 12:51:22 PM »

What about P-40B's, they were used heavily in this period?

icemaw · « **Reply #3 on:** January 22, 2003, 12:55:33 PM »

Man I hate peashooters. But maw wants to fly allied for a couple TODs so allied is my request.

Strange · « **Reply #4 on:** January 22, 2003, 02:48:09 PM »

I have to agree..need something to run down those 109's P-40B would be nice..

Nifty · « **Reply #5 on:** January 22, 2003, 11:11:35 PM »

*ties daddog up before he can respond*

332nd wants RAF!!! Swagger and Nifty will be assigned Spitfires each frame!

Nefarious · « **Reply #6 on:** January 23, 2003, 10:47:35 AM »

P40B's were sent to France, but never saw action with them, Britain basically took their order.

jordi · « **Reply #7 on:** January 23, 2003, 12:00:08 PM »

Wasn't the French HAWK ? a P40 Varient ?

Jordi

Sikboy · « **Reply #8 on:** January 23, 2003, 12:05:50 PM »

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Originally posted by jordi
Wasn't the French HAWK ? a P40 Varient ?

Jordi

The Hawk was a P-36, sort of a P-40, but with a radial engine (P&W Twin Wasp)

It would be great to have for the Phillipines too (Japan did fight in WWII didn't they?)

-Sik

Strange · « **Reply #9 on:** January 23, 2003, 12:32:17 PM »

Yes, Jordi is correct . The English call the version P-40 (Tomahawk mk I) The french called it a Hawk H81-A1s.

Excerpt from a website: The first of the French-ordered H81-A1s flew on June 6, 1940, and a few were actually completed with French markings. However, before any of their H81-A1s could be delivered, France had surrendered. Britain agreed to take over the entirety of the French order, and gave the H81-A1 the name Tomahawk I in RAF service. RAF serials were AH741/AH840 and AH841/AH880.

Sikboy · « **Reply #10 on:** January 23, 2003, 01:18:45 PM »

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Originally posted by Strange
Yes, Jordi is correct . The English call the version P-40 (Tomahawk mk I) The french called it a Hawk H81-A1s.

And yet, he's wrong. "Export Hawk 75a [the export version of the P-36] were supplied to the French Armee de L'air as Hawk 75A-1/A-2/A-3/A-4" (Souce: The Hamlyn Concise Guide to American Aircraft of WWII... what can I say Waldenbooks had it on sale lol)

Maybe the French called the P-40 a Hawk as well, but they never flew it as such, whereas the P-36 they did.

-Sik

Nifty · « **Reply #11 on:** January 23, 2003, 02:40:21 PM »

well, if you read all that clip that strange posted, the French surrendered before the P-40s were delivered. So you're both right. Jordi in the fact that the French were calling the P-40 a Hawk, and Sikboy is right in the fact they never flew P-40's. Regardless, the P-40's ordered for France (let's assume they didn't capitulate) flew for the first time on June 6th 1940 (I'd assume this means wherever Curtiss flew their planes first,) and the TOD takes place in May 1940, so it's a month late anyways.

Sikboy · « **Reply #12 on:** January 23, 2003, 02:43:22 PM »

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Originally posted by Nifty
well, if you read all that clip that strange posted,

I did. My point was that the Hawk the French used was the P-36. That's all.

-Sik

daddog · « **Reply #13 on:** January 23, 2003, 03:05:28 PM »

LOL Nifty,

332nd Flying Mongrels were Axis last round, so we request Allied this time. In anything but Spits.

Strange · « **Reply #14 on:** January 23, 2003, 03:11:49 PM »

Here the entire clip.. which i should have posted

At a very early stage, the Curtiss P-40 attracted the attention of foreign air forces. On May 10, 1939, the French government ordered 140 export versions of the P-40 for the Armee de l"Air. These aircraft were designated Hawk 81-A1 by the manufacturer. The Hawk 81-A1s were identical to the US P-40 except that they had French instruments and equipment and were equipped with reverse-movement "French-fashion" throttles.

The first of the French-ordered H81-A1s flew on June 6, 1940, and a few were actually completed with French markings. However, before any of their H81-A1s could be delivered, France had surrendered. Britain agreed to take over the entirety of the French order, and gave the H81-A1 the name Tomahawk I in RAF service. RAF serials were AH741/AH840 and AH841/AH880.

In September of 1940, the USAAC agreed to defer deliveries of their P-40s so that the Tomahawk Is could be supplied to Britain as soon as possible. The first Tomahawk Is reached England in September of 1940. The two 0.5-inch machine guns in the nose were retained, but they were supplemented by four wing-mounted 0.303-inch Browning machine guns in place of the 7.5-mm FN-Brownings originally specified by the French. Such was the urgency of their delivery to Britain that many of the 140 machines still had French instruments and bore cockpit lettering in French when they arrived.

This was in the days before Lend-Lease, and so the aircraft had only RAF serial numbers and markings, and were not issued USAAC serials or designations. The Curtiss construction numbers were 14446/14545 and 14091/14130. RAF serials were AH741/AH880. At least three (AH774, AH793, and AH840) were retained in Canada but still retaining their RAF serials.