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Offline gofaster

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« on: January 23, 2003, 02:42:12 PM »
I'd never heard of this game until this story broke out.  Similar games have already been banned in the US when it was learned that they had been developed and pushed by White Supremacist groups as recruiting mechanisms.

In my opinion, the developer is either an idiot or has a hidden agenda.

=====From Yahoo News - Technology Section=====

Dutch Homosexual Fights to Ban Gay-Shooting Game
Thu Jan 23,12:04 PM ET  Add Technology - Reuters to My Yahoo!
 

By Jana Sanchez

AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - A Dutch gay activist is fighting to outlaw the import of a U.S. computer game in which the player can shoot homosexuals, junkies, dogs and cats.  Where's PETA stand in all this?


Henk Krol, editor of the leading Dutch gay newspaper, has asked prosecutors to start court proceedings and is lobbying parliamentarians to outlaw the game, called "Postal 2."  Anybody heard of this?  Its not on any store shelves here.


"It is disgusting. In the Netherlands we have anti-discrimination laws to protect people from discrimination based on sexual preference and that makes it easier to do something," Krol told Reuters on Thursday.


Postal 2, produced by Arizona-based Running with Scissors, is due to become available in the Netherlands in late March.


Vince Desi, who runs Running with Scissors, said the game did not discriminate against homosexuals.


"It's definitely not anti-gay. You know what? It's a game -- get over it," Desi told Reuters by telephone from Tucson.  I disagree.  Does this game include the ability to shoot other people, too, or just drug users and homosexuals?


Desi said the player can shoot gay people but does not have to do so, and does not win any points for shooting anyone.


"In the game, the player plays the role of a character called The Postal Dude. He lives in a town where there are all kinds of people, white, black, skinny, fat, straight and gay. You can play the game in a passive role without killing anyone," Desi said. Right, but do you really expect players to play it that way?


"We are not political," he added.


POSTAL BANNED IN AUSTRALIA


Postal 2 is a new version of the firm's earlier game "Postal." That game has been banned in Australia, but Krol said it was widely sold in Dutch toy stores.


The target of that game was to eliminate hostile elements and unarmed civilians in city streets, parks and suburbs using a variety of weapons. The player could exit the game by "committing suicide."


Krol says he is not certain the authorities will be able to prevent Dutch residents from buying the game from the company's Web site, but hopes his campaign to prevent it being sold in toy stores will make buyers aware of the game's content.   His approach is sound - if someone is going to buy it off the Internet, then the presumption is that they would have a credit card, and if they have a credit card, then they have a job and/or a credit history, which would eliminate the ability for children to buy it for themselves and would make the game accessible to adults, but less accessible to kids.


"A lot of these games are being bought by parents and grandparents and one of our goals is to get people to understand what they are buying," Krol said. That's what parental warnings are for.  Kids can't get it, and parents can screen what's given to the kids.


Desi said he did not believe a ban on selling the game in the Netherlands would apply to Internet sales.


"I don't think anything would prevent people from buying it on the Internet," he said.   Customs laws would. Ask any porno king who's tried to sell internationally.
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Offline ra

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« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2003, 02:44:56 PM »
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In my opinion, the developer is either an idiot or has a hidden agenda.

Maybe he saw a business opportunity in a politically incorrect GAME.  You imply that a game where you have no limits on who you can kill would be OK.  

Banning this game is border line thought police.

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I wouldnt let my kids play this...
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2003, 03:12:21 PM »
But it should be sold, why not?

As long as not all your doing is killing gays or blacks ETC.

I think the game is meant to let you go postal on life like things, that would annoy you in real life, well now you can take it out in the game world.


Hell it does not sound that different from Grand theft auto.

SCREW the PC jerks. Games do not make people violent, bad parents do.

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« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2003, 03:19:21 PM »
I still have the original Postal on one of my machines, it's a great conversation starter :)

I like it enough to use the name as my e-mail addy with a 4u added at the end :)

Can't wait to see v2 of Postal, the Running w/ Scissors crew are truly twisted....I like it :)

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« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2003, 03:28:58 PM »
It gets media attention and gets banned in some countries because it is one of the few non-war based games where one of the primary objectives is to kill innocent civilians.  (Carmageddon is the only other similar title that comes to mind.)

Not a game where you CAN kill innocent civilians, one where one of the OBJECTIVES IS TO KILL civilians.

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« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2003, 03:30:37 PM »
For an idea of what Postal 2  is about.

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« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2003, 03:37:21 PM »
LOL that looks hella funny!


I love the part where he pisses on the dead dude. Or the cat silencer!!


lol

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« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2003, 03:43:52 PM »
I have a signed poster by running with scissors when they released the first postal.

Their sense of humor reminds me of 'theonion' only darker and with game.

Plenty of people(groups) protest them and ban their game, that's the way it's been from the beginning. They also don't give a rat's ass, it's been that way from the beginning as well. :)

I don't know if anyone here read their original introduction to their game but it was the funniest bit of writing I'd seen on the net anywhere at the time.
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« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2003, 04:28:44 PM »
GTA, as has been mentioned, allows you to kill civilians... for me that's the main attraction.

Of course, the game is equal opportunity- you can kill blacks, mexicans, gang members, queers, taxi cab drivers (predominately mid eastern people), men/women, cops, and the list goes on.

People tend to forget, these are games. Big deal.. there are movies that are just as bad- but the censor ratings keep them away from audiences who can't handle 'em.

And games are no different.
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« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2003, 04:30:15 PM »
I think its time people started boycotting games they've never heard of and will most likely never see in any store.

That should solve the problem.

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« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2003, 04:30:20 PM »
no doubt!

I mean, c'mon... how many kids played cowboys and indians, or cops and robbers, or army...

just make-believe.  Some people today can't keep fiction seperate from fact.

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« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2003, 04:46:26 PM »
My son (24) has Grand Theft Auto.. 2 or 3 or whatever. He explained it to me and I was horrified! You do what? You kill cops? WTH kind of game is this...


Then I watched him play.  I was sucked in. You can jack a TANK!! COOL!!  I wanted to run people over and blow up stuff! I was looking for the old ladies on the street to beat up!! Muahahahahahahahahahahah !!!!!



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« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2003, 05:21:56 PM »
Any game that lets u piss on dead corpses has got me hooked :D

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« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2003, 06:23:47 PM »
Those gays are overmodelled.
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« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2003, 07:01:22 PM »
I am sorta curious how the game depicts gays.  I mean, how would you know in the game whether or not the person you're shooting is gay?  Does he speak in a lisp?  Does he listen to Queen?