200 PERKS!

[Staga]

Latz why don't you just quit playing AH ?

Obviously you don't like how things are running here so quit playing and find new game to play.

[jpeg]

The fields in which i was playing there was action non stop. I saw a LOT of Mosquitos but overall fun.. 10 mins before i crashed i saw a 262 once in a while..which is too much

the perk for 262 should be much higher otherwise i can see it ruining the game

[humble]

The real jem in 1.08 is the Mossie      


What a great ride this will be...reminds me of the vader in AW. 1st real "attack" plane in the game. there will be some awesome squad missions for sure...6 guys in mossies can do an aweful lot of damage.

As for the 262...biggest fear will be a disco. I got 1 F6F 1-2 262's and a mossie (I think)....died trying to ytake off from short fields 3-4 times...got bounced 3-4 times T&Bing it low chasing prop planes round.

Truthfully it handles like a dream and is can actually E fight pretty well in semi vertical...but its hard to slow it down enough to get a decent setup without really risking getting caught...the spool up time is little long when your 250 or so with a tempest screaming in on you.

I can see someone going whole tour without losing one...i've never lost a tempest. But why bother...to me takes fun out of the game...but then again i've been T&Bing a hog last couple weeks so I dont fly anything way there designed anyway ....Chog is still only perk plane worth the points.

[Yeager]

This new release felt quite a bit like every other new release on opening day.  Lots of warps and everyone trying out the new rides.

Im always amazed at how quickly everyone (myself included) tend to overreact way too soon about every hiccup on opening day.

It takes weeks for the community at large to judge accurately the full magnitude of even moderate updates in AH.

That being said:
The 262 is way too perk cheap.  Im confident that that some LW squads will organze talented staffels flying these things exculsively and simply be untouchable, scoring 7-12 kills avg and landing 90% of the time.

This could make the game rather contemptuous
for fans of prop driven rides that will end up spending 10% of their time dying to unseen jetfire and the other 90% of their time looking constantly behind and evading the me262s.

If the price were nearly, and I mean NEARLY, prohibitive, say 400-500 perks, the impact of the 262 in the MA will be largely subdued but still available.

Of course, time will tell.

Y

[Russian]

It was a blast flying yesterday.  At one point I had over 12 guys chasing me. That was really fun. This new release was great (WTG HT). We tried out new planes and we learned that we MUST have perkie system. I’m no more niki dweeb, I’m a jet dweeb  . Now its time to get 33 more perkies to fly it again .

IMO  

[LePaul]

Gawsh, Laz agrees with me on something.  Mark your calendars, it dont happen often  

Upon further reflection, last night reminded me of last week, when the Main Arena went down and everyone stormed into the Training Room and did perk rides (with amazing amounts of ammo, to boot).  You either laughed to yourself in glee, or cried in disgust.

I was impressed flying the 262...its fast, looks like something out of a Batman comic book, and just flies great.

What kinda annoyed me was there was no strat whatsoever last night.  I was very interested to see how the convoys, trains and re-supply stuff would all work.  Perhaps tonight, now that everyone has Jet A out of their system  

[SKurj]

Hmm I had a blast last night meself with the exception of the bastids capping fields and causing arena resets +(
Ohh yeah and my only up in a 262 ended in a hard lock while using my right view.

Anyways, a constant furball between a1 and a43, which I took advantage of +)  My first trip in a 205 from a2 to a43 resulted in 2 262's down and 16 perks! +)  My next trip resulted in 1 262 and another kill for 10 perks.  Then I got brave, fired up the 202 and charged on in.  My first trip resulted in no 262 kills +(  Someone died though giving me a couple of perks.  Next run 1 262 downed!!  would have been a second if the bb's were a tad more effective, 3-4 sec burst scoring hits resulted in a slight trail behind him.  Scored at least a D11 and an F4u who augered and I think another aircraft as well.  I think when I died I had 4-5 kills even though I only shot one down as far as I know.  20 perks +)

Getting caught in open sky with some alt by a couple of 262's I found abit boring.  One would Boom other would zoom and so on.  They eventually make a mistake and have to dump some alt for speed and then extend 10k before returning.

Personally I think last night was fine, and a good time.  I am surprised it spoiled Lazs's fun.  It was what I thought he always wanted.. no buffs were up, the perk system was abolished and no captures were possible..  

My thots...

SKurj

[Dinger]

I should probably put this where it won't be buried, but:
The 262 A2G perk value is seriously messed up.  I took up a 262 got 3 A2A kills (but only two got scored for points -- the third was a 262 who pulled his wings off after I forced the overshoot): one was a bounce on a IIc where I came in so fast he never saw me; the other was suckering a 190 into a dubious front-quarter shot.  Nevertheless when I landed, I got 25 perk points.
Why?
I strafed 3 1/2 truck convoys.  You get a good line up on 'em and give 'em a little squirt of 4x30mm, and poof! they blow.  And the 262 A2G multiplier is 20.
Seriously, this is a problem guys.

Anyway, I'm worried that whatever the Perk value is, the 262 will be too common in the MA.  Folks who know how to fly it won't let themselves be killed.  And given enough practice, people will figure out the optimal ballistics for the mk108.  After all, you only need one of them to hit a fighter.

[minus]

not realy before the arena  reset when 262 was not FREE  fly the plane ,tryed bounce many planes but flying the thing around 450 tas and above now way to score, <flying a262 below 450 tas is it sily !!> have to realy concentrate my selfgout many time  p 38 or pony runing after me thye was not scared at all Ho  but no hits , it was inaf warpy yesterday for smoth aiming

Surely Lw fans will fly the 262 and the 20 k perfect loop pony bouncers <example :RUDE   > will have to watch out about 262 just like in real life , 200 perks damn is it inaf high

already lost more like 500 perks dieing in Ta152 left around 800 so is it 4 x 262 for me


is it so much ?????????????? AND I COLECT MY PERKS IN 190A8 109F4 109G 10 190D9 ONLY

anyway mising wr 21 rocket for 262  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


thx HTC for the nice plane !!!!!!

[MadBirdCZ]

Actually I dont fly LW metal much (except for Arados and sometimes Ju88s) but still Im considering taking the 262 for a buff-hunt. If you know how to attack the buff the buff is dead. If you just sit on his 6 then YOU are dead. I see nothing wrong about 262 ENY or PERK values its OK with me because right now Im killing buffs with Yak-9U and its not a problem to kill 2 B17s per 1 sortie without scoring a single hole in my own plane and still bringing few (well very few) rounds home   Leave 262 as it is now and lets see how the situation will develop.... (just my humble opinion)

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MBirdCZ

[Minotaur]

Sooner of later all perkies run dry...
 

[MANDOBLE]

This is really comic. You guys think that 262 should cost even more perks due it is the fastest plane in the arena.
1 - To kill, you usually need to slow down.
2 - It is ONLY good at very hi speeds.
3 - Mk108 effective range is very short.
4 - Its climb rate is anything but impressive.

Well, before the 262 arrival we had already a fastest and untouchable plane: La7. And IT WAS AND IS UNPERKED, not even a cheap perk, just UNPERKED.

Most if not all of you chanting about doubling the alreally extremelly expensive price of 262 never wrote a world about perking the La.

For a quick comparison, before 262 and at the optimal altitude:
1 - La7 outaccelerates anything.
2 - La7 outruns anything.
3 - La7 outclibms anything.
4 - La7 outdives anything.
5 - La7 outturns most of the planes.

Now, with the 262:
1 - 262 outdives anything.
2 - 262 outruns anything.

What about a bit of coherence? 400 perks for 262? ok, 250 perks for La7 and 300 for Tempest.

IMO, top speed is not the most important factor to perk a plane.

[MANDOBLE]

Lazs, your beloved F4U-4, 1C and 1D are not precissely slow-arena planes. Again, a bit of coherence.

[Gunthr]

I like Mandoble's idea. Warbirds had kills weighted that way, didn't they? You would get a higher score killing a more effective plane. That way, maybe we could get some early-war crates, with a good chance that they would be flown. Everybody's happy!

I think we should just give the Me262 a break-in period, keeping it at 200 perkies. It might turn out ok at that price point

[ 10-05-2001: Message edited by: Gunthr ]

[SKurj]

Get  grip Mandoble, the 262 should be at LEAST 200 perks.  And in no way should it be able to earn perks at any sort of a rate.  If you die in a 262 before you've earned even 10% of its cost you deserved it.

The 262 has no natural predator in the arena.  There are always furballs waiting for an LW opportunist.  

Buzz a furball in any plane at 350 mph there is a chance that you didn't see that guy with more E than you.  Buzz a furball at 550 the risks are so slim as to be nil (unless u run into something)  

Just imagine if you could earn 10 perks for every spit killed while in a 262, which only cost you 50 perks.....  Wouldn't be long before we'd be flying F4 phantoms vs mig 21's....


SKurj