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Offline Hortlund

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Interesting quote from the UN weapons inspectors
« on: January 27, 2003, 02:08:23 PM »
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The (Iraqi weapons report) document indicates that 13,000 chemical bombs were dropped by the Iraqi air force between 1983 and 1998.


13 000 chemical warheads used...thirteen thousand.

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« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2003, 02:23:25 PM »
This is all about OIL!

Sadam is great! I bet he builds Day care centers!

They must have been small chemical weapons, prolly not even as strong as an FDB meet on burrito night!:D

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Re: But we do not need to go to war man!
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2003, 02:50:00 PM »
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
This is all about OIL!

Sadam is great! I bet he builds Day care centers!

 


He doesnt build day care centers man, its Catholic private elementary schools... jezz man, get your facts straight!

What a nice guy!  Lets elect a Liberal so we can sell more weapons to him - afterall - hes only trying to protect the schools.

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« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2003, 02:53:36 PM »
Yeah! Let's nuke him!!
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Re: Interesting quote from the UN weapons inspectors
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2003, 02:55:04 PM »
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Originally posted by Hortlund
13 000 chemical warheads used...thirteen thousand.


BTW, where were they dropped? If it was a testing ground we got them beat:D
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« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2003, 03:51:32 PM »
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BTW, where were they dropped? If it was a testing ground we got them beat:D


I dont think you drop live chemical warheads on testing grounds actually.

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« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2003, 04:19:58 PM »
That whole country is going to become a testing ground rather soon.

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« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2003, 04:43:00 PM »
LOL!
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« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2003, 04:59:28 PM »
saddam actualy builds baby milk factorys for his poor starving kurds.

if saddam can only hold out against the evil dr. bush till the 2004 elections , hillery will be president and the demos will control congress and saddam can relax. but i think saddam needs a few more UN resolutions to make it.

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« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2003, 01:02:01 AM »
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I dont think you drop live chemical warheads on testing grounds actually.
Suuuure and nobody ever tests live nuclear weapons either. :rolleyes: Look up Dugway & Aberdeen Proving Grounds (and Lakehurst back in 1918-23) in the US, Porton Down in the UK.
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l§ 1520. Use of human subjects for testing of chemical or biological agents by Department of Defense; accounting to Congressional committees with respect to experiments and studies; notification of local civilian officials
(a) Not later than thirty days after final approval within the Department of Defense of plans for any experiment or study to be conducted by the Department of Defense, whether directly or under contract, involving the use of human subjects for the testing of chemical or biological agents, the Secretary of Defense shall supply the Committees on Armed Services of the Senate and House of Representatives with a full accounting of such plans for such experiment or study, and such experiment or study may then be conducted only after the expiration of the thirty-day period beginning on the date such accounting is received by such committees. (b)(1) The Secretary of Defense may not conduct any test or experiment involving the use of any chemical or biological agent on civilian populations unless local civilian officials in the area in which the test or experiment is to be conducted are notified in advance of such test or experiment, and such test or experiment may then be conducted only after the expiration of the thirty-day period beginning on the date of such notification. (2) Paragraph (1) shall apply to tests and experiments conducted by Department of Defense personnel and tests and experiments conducted on behalf of the Department of Defense by contractors.
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« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2003, 02:24:00 AM »
So maybe we should first agree that there is a difference between "testing chemical weapons" and "using live chemical weapons on weapons ranges".  Of cource they test chemical weapons and biological weapons and nuclear weapons, how else would they know they work. But that is not the same thing as taking a "tested and working" bomb with a chemical warhead and dropping it on the shooting range.

Now the report said that the Iraqi airforce has dropped 13 000 chemical bombs. That can only mean that they have dropped them "in action".

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« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2003, 05:37:26 AM »
Blix came up with that?
Wow, he did come up with something then. Wonder where they were dropped, what kind of stuff, etc.
Can traces be found?
Can the Iraqi explain why they "Don't" have any of those any more ? If they got rid of them, then Where?
If this fits perfectly, I'd say this is reason enough to remove Saddam from his throne.
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« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2003, 05:51:28 AM »
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Lets elect a Liberal so we can sell more weapons to him - afterall - hes only trying to protect the schools.


I always thought Reagan was a conservative.
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« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2003, 06:02:03 AM »
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Originally posted by Angus
Blix came up with that?
Wow, he did come up with something then. Wonder where they were dropped, what kind of stuff, etc.
Can traces be found?
Can the Iraqi explain why they "Don't" have any of those any more ? If they got rid of them, then Where?
If this fits perfectly, I'd say this is reason enough to remove Saddam from his throne.


Well, they dropped these bombs mainly during the Iran-Iraq war. Then they dropped some on the Kurds. If you remember the 12 000 page Iraqi document they handed over in December, that was supposed to contain their explanation on what happened with the other C-bombs that werent dropped. But unfortunately (for the Iraqis) the 12 000 page document hasnt really said anything at all, it seems to be mosty copys of older reports to the UN inspectors.

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« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2003, 06:16:24 AM »
I understand that the Allies (primarily the USA) will be supplying Dr Blix with some more useful intelligence than the list of suspected sites he was given to begin with, which seemed to turn up empty (perhaps unsurprisingly).

I should be very surprised if the whole country has not been under very close surveillance for a long time.

If those 13,000 Chem Warheads are found, and are found to contain chemical agents, then it is over for Saddam, no question.

And if they have been moved, there will be evidence of it, because that is quite a large job. It is up to the allies to point Dr Blix at the right places.

Dr Blix's report was a mixed bag, but pointed to some serious shortcomings in cooperation by the Iraqis. However, access to specified sites and locations was granted, and granted promptly in all but one case.

It would be very telling indeed if that policy of prompt compliance changed when Dr Blix asks for access to locations pinpointed in the soon to be received intelligence material.

The inspectors should be assisted and allowed the time they need. At any point they can tell the Iraqi regime that they are unhappy with their cooperation, they are being obstructed, they feel they are not being shown all the documents etc. Then they can threaten to withdraw, and then they can withdraw. At that point it will be back to the UN and a Resolution for military action.

If that is not passed then I expect the UK and the US and anyone else who can be cajoled into assisting with materiel or money, will exercise the Kosovo option and start hostilities with Iraq under the auspices of NATO.

My current $0.02.