Author Topic: Whether or not you believe in the war.... (Read 1046 times)

Tumor · « **Reply #15 on:** January 29, 2003, 05:19:44 PM »

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Originally posted by miko2d
They are all going into harms way, and I resent any implication that some might have it easy!

If every REMF claims that his job is taking bullet for his country, it diminishes the merit of guys who really get shot at. That's what I resent.

miko

Screw it... clueless loser aint worth it.

jonnyb · « **Reply #16 on:** January 29, 2003, 05:31:07 PM »

As a Marine, you are first and foremost a Rifleman. Every Marine coming out of boot camp has learned basic combat skills, which include becoming proficient at firing the M16. I don't care what MOS you chose, if you can't fire a rifle, you don't make it through boot.

Every Marine, whether he be in the rear with the gear, or on the front line charging the enemy, has taken an oath to defend his country. Each and every one has earned the right to say that he could, and would, take a bullet for another Marine. That's just the way we are. I was a ground pounder. 0311. And I had just as much respect for the guys out back as for the ones standing next to me.

Semper Fi.

Boroda · « **Reply #17 on:** January 29, 2003, 06:27:59 PM »

Miko, sravni s nashim "da tak, pri shtabe sluzhil" (c) "Brat". Esli ne smotrel perviy film - cherkni, ya na ftp polozhu, on gorazdo sil'nee chem vtoroy.

Kanth, combat losses in a REAL war can't be lower then losses during full-scale trainings and maneuvers. Hint: your official numbers are an outright lie.

Preon1 · « **Reply #18 on:** January 29, 2003, 06:42:06 PM »

Miko, I can no longer respect anything you say...

HOWEVER...

I decided to pull the duties of a Marine Aviation Land Support Squadron from current US Marine doctrine:

"The major tasks include conducting operational planning for MAGTF direct air support operations; receiving, coordinating, and processing immediate requests for air support; providing equipment, facilities, and personnel for operation of air support elements; and maintaining continuous control of direct air support while displacing."

In otherwords, they're humping it on the front lines calling in airstrikes while under fire. These guys have an INTENSE job.

I'm also pretty sure you should rethink what you say about the rear elements in a possible Iraqi conflict:
In the open desert (front lines near Baghdad), the United States military dominates in maneuver, target identification, and delivery of munitions. There are only 2 things Iraq can do to hope to deal enough damage to American forces to trigger a desire to leave: 1. dig in around the cities (taking care to put defenses on schools/hospitals/etc. 2. use their short range balistic missiles (150 km) to take out enemy rear operations with nuclear/biological/chemical weapons.

From my view, if a war with Iraq lasts longer than a couple weeks, most of the casualties will be rear line american troops.

Puke · « **Reply #19 on:** January 29, 2003, 08:10:55 PM »

I love that place.

Kanth · « **Reply #20 on:** January 29, 2003, 08:20:34 PM »

Boroda, none of those numbers represent non-war training and manuvers.

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Originally posted by Boroda
Miko, sravni s nashim "da tak, pri shtabe sluzhil" (c) "Brat". Esli ne smotrel perviy film - cherkni, ya na ftp polozhu, on gorazdo sil'nee chem vtoroy.

Kanth, combat losses in a REAL war can't be lower then losses during full-scale trainings and maneuvers. Hint: your official numbers are an outright lie.

Montezuma · « **Reply #21 on:** January 29, 2003, 08:45:38 PM »

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Originally posted by Puke

I love that place.

Yeah, that is a great place. I'm surprised it was open. During the last San Diego SB, it was rented out and reserved for private parties. So many of the Gaslamp restaurants were holding closed corporate events that we could only get in at Hooters. And that was great because San Diego has a very talented workforce for such establishments.

Swager · « **Reply #22 on:** January 29, 2003, 10:07:44 PM »

I guy I work with just shipped out. He is a tank commander (M1A1). Strange feeling shaking his hand and saying "Good Luck"

Altec · « **Reply #23 on:** January 30, 2003, 02:46:43 AM »

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Anyone in the armed services reguardless of MOS - Your job is one of a soldier. Take 63H in the army. My old MOS. You work on track vehicles - Tanks. Those tanks do not have to be in the rear. Sometimes it is easier to ruck up and fix it in the field.

Everyone is trained as a soldier. Any given time you drop your typewriter - tools - pencils - whatever and grab a M-16

.02

With us looking like we going to war my feelings on it if anyone cares - I personelly(SP) do not think that we should go. This is going by just what I know. Other info may be present that warrents military action. However, once being in the service I feel this way:

I have an American Right to think and say - I feel we should not go. I think it is a mistake at this time. BUT - If we do go over there I will back those people up 100%. I wish to God I was in shape and did not smash my knee up working on duty. If I did not I would of joined back up on 9/12/01.

GL Armed service people overseas in Iraq and other places others don't think about. My prayers are with yall.

My 2 cents

SaburoS · « **Reply #24 on:** January 30, 2003, 03:31:33 AM »

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Originally posted by weazel
I wish I had a high I.Q.

But you're just a pathetic, lefty-liberal, commie, socialist, unpatriotic, psychotic, hand-wringing person to go along with your low IQ....or so I've read here on this BBS. It must be right as we have all these experts sitting in judgement of your mind and character

Tumor · « **Reply #25 on:** January 30, 2003, 10:50:28 AM »

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Originally posted by SaburoS
But you're just a pathetic, lefty-liberal, commie, socialist, unpatriotic, psychotic, hand-wringing person to go along with your low IQ....or so I've read here on this BBS. It must be right as we have all these experts sitting in judgement of your mind and character

JMHO but I think weazy has more patriot in his little finger than most folks ever hope to dream about having.

rc51 · « **Reply #26 on:** January 30, 2003, 11:59:22 AM »

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Originally posted by jonnyb
As a Marine, you are first and foremost a Rifleman. Every Marine coming out of boot camp has learned basic combat skills, which include becoming proficient at firing the M16. I don't care what MOS you chose, if you can't fire a rifle, you don't make it through boot.

Every Marine, whether he be in the rear with the gear, or on the front line charging the enemy, has taken an oath to defend his country. Each and every one has earned the right to say that he could, and would, take a bullet for another Marine. That's just the way we are. I was a ground pounder. 0311. And I had just as much respect for the guys out back as for the ones standing next to me.

Semper Fi.

The above statement should explain it well to all who have not served.
HOOO-AAHH

SaburoS · « **Reply #27 on:** January 30, 2003, 02:15:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Tumor
JMHO but I think weazy has more patriot in his little finger than most folks ever hope to dream about having.

Absolutely! Seems some on this BBS are confused about definitions of certain words. If anything what we need are more people like weasel in our administration. I'd sure feel a heck of a lot safer about our Constitution and Bill of Rights....and our perception of us by other countries.

Sandman · « **Reply #28 on:** January 30, 2003, 02:16:01 PM »

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Originally posted by SaburoS
But you're just a pathetic, lefty-liberal, commie, socialist, unpatriotic, psychotic, hand-wringing person to go along with your low IQ....or so I've read here on this BBS. It must be right as we have all these experts sitting in judgement of your mind and character

This just in... agreeing with the current presidency doesn't make you a patriot.

There is nothing more American than dissent.

Maverick · « **Reply #29 on:** January 30, 2003, 04:31:19 PM »

Juat my 2 cents worth here on this.

First, Smut, well said. Not everyone goes to the front but the front isn't always the most hazardous area. The front also happens to change positions rapidly and can reappear way in the rear. That is a job for those folks who parachute in as well as those who break through.

Miko, you are way out of line here and have shown yourself in need of a reality pill. Please go te one as you have no idea about what you are talking about. See the above paragraph, then recall simple little facts like artillery and airborn munitions. Also keep in mind that quite a few "REMFS" are support folks who spend a considerable amount of time UP FRONT supporting, supplying, repairing and recovering those front line troopies.

Boroda, Try to understand that the US, unlike the previous administration you lived under, does not look at training casualties as an acceptable "risk". Training fatalities are in fact rather rare here which is why they get such press. In your area of the world a lost troopie wasn't a big deal. It is to us, so before you spout off about any "facts" about casualty rates you can't have any knowledge of, just simply STFU. I speak from experiance as I was "in the business" to include planning and executing training and you were not.

Final point. If that young Marine thinks he is paid to "take a bullet" he is in serious need of retraining. That is NOT his (or her) job. His job is to make the ENEMY take a bullet. A dead Marine is of no use to his country. A live Marine is and will be able to perform a mission for his country. Dead, he is just a liability. Patton said it best. Your job is not to die for your country but to make the other poor son of a squeak die for his!