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Offline mrsid2

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« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2003, 12:48:58 PM »
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I never ever push my car beyong 3200 rpm and my brakepads last me over four times the normal lifetime - in New York CIty, no less. Smart driving contributes a whole lot to fuel efficiency.


Hmm I regularly push my car over 5000rpm and still get over 30mpg consumption :)

Never ever pushing the revs up there will clog up the engine and heavily degrade the performance. I regularly take my car on the highway and push the pedal to the medal for a few kilometers. You can feel how the engine revs better after that, runs smoother and generally thanks you for the excercise :)

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« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2003, 12:54:25 PM »
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Suprised nobody here has picked up on the utter hypocrisy of Bush's African AIDS initiative...


Where's the hypocrisy in proposing $500 million in aid to Africa to fight AIDS? How much did Al Gore send when he was VP?
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« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2003, 12:56:34 PM »
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Suprised nobody here has picked up on the utter hypocrisy of Bush's African AIDS initiative... -Nash


Care to elaborate?
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« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2003, 12:58:15 PM »
I think Nash is referring to the fact that some tribes can't eat Pygmies if they're taking an AIDS cocktail without themselves getting sick.

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« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2003, 01:03:25 PM »
so Rip..what wine do you serve with Pygmies?

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« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2003, 01:19:50 PM »
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Originally posted by miko2d
You remember that dummy? During his campaign couple of years ago he was proposing the ridiculous country-wide switch to alternative-fueled cars. A project requiring a huge expence, a lot of new opressive regulation, relying on non-existent complicated  technology and most importantly, violating the basic physical law of conservation of energy.... :rolleyes:
 Good thing presidential candidate G.W. Bush explained in time what kind of stupidity that was.

 Ridiculous. I don't know why I suddenly remembered that crap.  Here I was, sitting on my couch and listening to the State of the Union Address by our leader and all kind of ridiculous things surface in my memory. Why is that? :D

 miko


Nice spin.....he was never criticized by Bush for offering ideas for new car technology, but rather his whacko enviromental stance as espoused in his not so best selling book.

You guys on the left might try the truth sometimes....I hear it's liberating:)

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« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2003, 01:38:12 PM »
Ripsnort: I get better gas milege overall with 225 hp. :p

mrsid2: Hmm I regularly push my car over 5000rpm and still get over 30mpg consumption :)

 Good for you!
 Since neither of you mentioned the kind of car you drive (and I could not be bothered to search the forum for that info), is that a full-size 4-wheel drive family wagon?
 I am not a conservation freak but it is one of the considerations. As a libertrian and free-market proponent I would certainly not presume to judge anyone on his habits. You buy your own fuel and let supply and demand dictate the price. If there is any shortage, the price will increase and people who pay for fuel will conserve more.

 Of course I believe that today's price at the pump does not reflect the free-market price becasue it is heavily subcidised. The people who buy cheap gas have no insentive to conserve and those who pay - taxpayers - have no way to effect conservation other than by intrusive government regulations.

 The full costs of gas should be reflected in its retail price - including risks to supply, cost of military and international aid needed to secure the supplies, etc.
 Since fuel is vital to the survival of the country, the 10 year-reserve supply must be ensured - giving us time to adjust to any change in conditions. The creation and mainenance of such reserve by State or (preferably) private companies must be mandated as a matter of defence and reflected in the price of fuel, as well as any military expences that can be identified as related to securing oil - carrier groups, bases, etc. must.

 If some poor people cannot afford heating their houses - offer them honest and open subcidy rather that sneak the welfare through military buget.


Nash: Suprised nobody here has picked up on the utter hypocrisy of Bush's African AIDS initiative...

 I am not sure the hypocricy is involved. I certainly believe that any non-military international aid must be directed through private channels, not be done by the State.
 I would certainly not waste my tax money on treating AIDS in Africa - it's a worthy cause but money can be used much more efficiently to improve living conditions there. Since everyone may have his own idea, private is the way to go.

 miko

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« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2003, 01:39:07 PM »
The researchers here at USC have been working on Bush funded hydrogen car research for a year now.  They were working on it soon after he was elected.  The researchers here say teh media hasn't mentioned anything about it because what would the environmentalists think?

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« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2003, 02:12:38 PM »
Rude: You guys on the left might try the truth sometimes....I hear it's liberating :)

 I am on the left? :D :D :D :D :D :D

 Some of us on the right believe in moral principles rather than pursuit of immediate goal by any means. I would have rather had republicans lose elections on issues than see the senate majority leader endorce the racist quote system and the president toss free-market ideals and jump on environazi's bandwagon. Let alone his other transgressions against conservative values.

 Bush is to the left of me - that's my problem. When I voted for him he had republican agenda, not a democratic one.
 If you like what he is proposing so much and believe that we should all kowtow to our leader no matter what our opinion in favor of party "unity" - maybe you should consider voting liberal next time.


The researchers here at USC have been working on Bush funded hydrogen car research for a year now. They were working on it soon after he was elected. The researchers here say the media hasn't mentioned anything about it because what would the environmentalists think?

 Who cares about the stupid car? If we had hydrogen available, we could burn it in existing internal-combustion engines with minor modifications. The exhaust would be the same water.
 Busses in NYC and other places already run on natural gas.
 Even if they solve the problem of fuel cell being expencive and easily contaminated, the source of the hydrogen is the problem, its transportarion and storage.

 Anyone solved the problem of hydrogen making steel tanks/pipes brittle? Leaking through barriers impervious to other gasses? All the equipment/technology/knowlege used to store/pump/conduct natural and any other gasses is going to be of no use with hydrogen.

 What they will do is make us load our cars with huge bulky heavy, slow to recharge and dangerous to operate high pressure tanks of natural gas which will be converted into hydrogen by heavy, bulky and expencive catalyst devices that are contaminated easily and irretrievably.
 And that is before it even gets to the "fuel cell". Of course the mileage of a car will take a major hit because of the additional weight and space requirements - which will be compensated by making them out of plastic, the heck with safety.

 All that expence and discovery on catalysts could probably be used better to clean up whatever exhaust is produced by today's cars. Of course they still produce "evil" CO2 - but so will the "hydrogen cars"  since natural gas is mostly carbon anyway. The fuel cell will not emit CO2 but the the natural gas to hydrogen converter certainly will.

 And of course our natural gas infrastructure, production and storage capacity are not nearly sufficient to take over transportation.

 It's not like environazis will allow us to build nuclear stations - the only way to produce cheap plentifll hydrgen.


 I bet Bush could get additional funding for his miracle car from Al-Qaeda. It's hard for them to hunt down every tanker ship and tanker truck/train delivering fuel now but once we depend on an expencive network of gas/hydrogen pipelines, the terrorists will have a field day.
 Oh, yea - if you thought blowing up a gasoline tanker truck or gas station in the middle of the city was bad, wait till it's full of high-pressure hydrogen or liquefied natural gas. The closest thing to nuclear weapon you will ever get.

 
 miko