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Offline miko2d

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« on: January 30, 2003, 03:16:01 PM »
You remember that dummy? During his campaign couple of years ago he was proposing the ridiculous country-wide switch to alternative-fueled cars. A project requiring a huge expence, a lot of new opressive regulation, relying on non-existent complicated  technology and most importantly, violating the basic physical law of conservation of energy.... :rolleyes:
 Good thing presidential candidate G.W. Bush explained in time what kind of stupidity that was.

 Ridiculous. I don't know why I suddenly remembered that crap.  Here I was, sitting on my couch and listening to the State of the Union Address by our leader and all kind of ridiculous things surface in my memory. Why is that? :D

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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2003, 03:17:08 PM »
Your best post in a year miko.

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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2003, 03:26:50 PM »
Wasn't that about the same time that Bush said he was against nation building?
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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2003, 03:30:23 PM »
Miko, I'll bet you drive either a Camaro or a pickup truck, don't you?

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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2003, 03:49:33 PM »
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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2003, 03:55:59 PM »
Loadsa people been running their diesels on cooking oil in this country  - until the govt got a whiff of it (car exhaust smells like fry-up) and started demanding that  people pay fuel duty on it.

Yes, you can run an unconverted diesel car on cheap vegetable oil! Not recommended for cold countries!

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« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2003, 04:18:59 PM »
dude im not driving a care full of cooking oil. better to have a nice safe super pressurised vessel of hydrogen. :)


god bless bush, i thought a second term was gonna happen till this month :)

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« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2003, 04:48:43 PM »
wat yew sayn ? bush gona doubble cross all his oil baron war mongering buddies?? ahh don beleave it

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« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2003, 04:56:32 PM »
From Whitehouse homepage:

“President Bush announced a $1.2 billion Freedom Fuel initiative to reverse America’s growing dependence on foreign oil by developing the technology needed for commercially viable hydrogen-powered fuel cells – a way to power cars, trucks, homes and businesses that produces no pollution and no greenhouse gases. The Freedom Fuel initiative will include $720 million in new funding over the next five years to develop the technologies and infrastructure needed to produce, store, and distribute hydrogen fuel for use in fuel cell vehicles and electricity generation.”

What Al Gore proposed…

“I support new laws to [e]mandate[/i] improvements in automobile fleet mileage, but much more is needed. Within the context of the SEI [Strategic Environment Initiative], it ought to be possible to establish a coordinated global program to accomplish the strategic goal of completely eliminating the internal combustion engine over, say, a twenty-five year period.” Emphasis added

There is a difference between an initiative to promote growth of a technology (a well established technology that continues to improve) and laws mandating it.  A little further background information (note the release date)...

From:
Feds Accelerate Fuel-Cell Cars  
Associated Press
 
07:32 AM Jan. 09, 2002 PT

“Begun in 1993 and championed by the Clinton administration, especially Vice President Al Gore, the joint venture between the federal government and the Big Three domestic automakers was seen as a way to put family-size sedans that get 80 miles per gallon into showrooms by 2004.

Using advanced aerodynamics, new engine technologies and lighter composite materials, the automakers in the program developed prototypes of vehicles capable of getting more than 70 mpg, three times better fuel economy than most cars now on the road. But commercial development of large numbers of these cars in the next few years, as once envisioned, was not expected.
Although Abraham supported the program as a senator from Michigan, shortly after he became energy secretary he said the highly touted program had outlived its usefulness because the auto industry was going in a different direction.

The administration proposed slashing funding for the program as part of its first budget a year ago. Nevertheless, Congress continued to keep it alive, even as some environmental groups and the watchdog Taxpayers for Common Sense called the program an unnecessary subsidy for the car industry.
Instead, the administration intends to focus on speeding up development of hydrogen fuel-cell powered vehicles, a technology that has attracted intense interest in recent years.
This new government-industry partnership "will further the president's national energy policy, which calls for increased research in hydrogen technology to diversify and enhance America's energy security," the Energy Department said.
It is hoped that the new federal push for development of fuel cells will spur industry efforts to develop motor vehicle engine and power systems that eventually will replace the internal combustion engine.

Although several automakers, including DaimlerChrysler, Ford and General Motors, have said they expect to have fuel-cell vehicles in showrooms within the next four or five years, wide availability of such cars is probably a decade or more away.

A fuel cell produces energy from a chemical reaction when hydrogen is combined with oxygen. The only byproduct is water. In recent years, the cost of fuel cells has dropped sharply. Hydrogen can be produced from natural gas aboard vehicles or pure hydrogen can be used, requiring development of a new supply infrastructure.”
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« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2003, 12:50:14 AM »
:rolleyes:

Memories of Bush rollin' through Michigan outright lampoonin' Gore for this...

Let's see.... Gore wrote the book in '92, and predicted 25 years. Bush co-opts it on Tuesday and predicts about 15 years or so... (which is pretty safe now, as the auto industry is beatin' him to the punch... no doubt draggin' Bush et al kicking and screamin').

Hmm...

Now the dittoheads are fallin' all over themselves tryin' to felate the chimp for his bold vision.

Yeah, what a speech.

Suprised nobody here has picked up on the utter hypocrisy of Bush's African AIDS initiative...

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« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2003, 01:21:35 AM »
LOL, I remember Cheney's speech where he said that conservation was not the key, but the increased drilling for oil was. :rolleyes:
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« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2003, 11:39:04 AM »
hawk220: Miko, I'll bet you drive either a Camaro or a pickup truck, don't you?

 I have a 4-cylinder Subaru Outback Wagon which gives me 27 mpg in my everyday mixed city/highway driving and a 95' Honda Civic that still gives me better than 30 mpg.
 I never ever push my car beyong 3200 rpm and my brakepads last me over four times the normal lifetime - in New York CIty, no less. Smart driving contributes a whole lot to fuel efficiency.


 Sabre - the Bush's wording over the ridiculous proposal sounds less intrusive than Gore's. That does not mean the eventual regulations will not be as intrusive.

miko

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« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2003, 11:56:53 AM »
Anyone remember that old movie with Spenser Tracy as Thomas Edison? How Edison persevered against the then entrenched gas light providers and won the right to supply electric lighting.

It wasn't the government that insisted we all try electric lights since they were safer and better. It was free enterprise that offered a better product to a public that quickly recognized it's worth.

What if the government had decided to endorse and enforce implementaion of Edison's idea before he made it workable? Would we all be using gas powered computers today?  ;)
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« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2003, 12:30:52 PM »
What if the government had decided to endorse and enforce implementaion of Edison's idea before he made it workable? Would we all be using gas powered computers today?  ;)

 No. We would still be using electricity - albeit direct current with finger-thick wires, 80% transmission losses and much higher cost. We would already long have had electric cars instead of gasoline-powered ones. Of course 19 out of 20 american families would not be able to afforde them and still use horses for transportation.

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« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2003, 12:39:39 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by miko2d
hawk220: Miko, I'll bet you drive either a Camaro or a pickup truck, don't you?

 I have a 4-cylinder Subaru Outback Wagon which gives me 27 mpg in my everyday mixed city/highway driving --snip

miko


I get better gas milege overall with 225 hp. :p