Al-Qaeda has dirty bomb

[Krusher]

Originally posted by Dowding
Don't worry Udie - OBL is still alive and kicking. The tape that mentioned the Bali bombings is proof of that.

The CIA says its authentic, The Swiss said it wasnt.

He was a KNOWN video tape fan yet I have not seen one in over a year.

He may very well be alive... But he may be dead also.

Personaly I dont think he has the paitence to stay off of the tube this long.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Subaro does have a point - the fact that one can be opposed to a leader and not the nation

I agree Saurdaukar. However, and I don't read these threads ALL the time, I don't recall reading what Weazel stands for, only against. And I only spoke up when MT suggested that Weazel might be the most patriotic one here. I doubt MT would have offered the same opinion of someone so anti-liberal.

[Erlkonig]

Originally posted by Hortlund
no but that is only because he wants to kill them himself.

(And you should grow up btw)

I am not so sure of that.  But I am amused that you would tell me to grow up.  Do you want to tell me again how you went about choosing interns at your workplace?

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by AKIron
I agree Saurdaukar. However, and I don't read these threads ALL the time, I don't recall reading what Weazel stands for, only against. And I only spoke up when MT suggested that Weazel might be the most patriotic one here. I doubt MT would have offered the same opinion of someone so anti-liberal.

Sure I would.

I think Toad is very patriotic. I think Lazs is pretty patriotic. Rude is too. So are you, from what I've seen posted here Iron.

I don't believe you read what I actually wrote. My post was in response to this:

I think Weazel IS Osama Bin Laden. (yea I know it was a joke)

and

....you can relax now weazel...your pal is safe and sound. (speaking of OBL)

my post was this:

1. Weazel is usually over the top, and I rarely agree with his vitriolic rhetoric.

2. He is no less patriotic, in fact he may be more patriotic than most of us on this BBS.

After which I agreed that his level of patriotism could be argued here:

Patriotism is expressed in different ways, but what weazel does is not the opposite of patriotic. That is the point. You may be able to argue levels of patriotism, but he has done nothing to suggest that he doesn't love his Country.

So what exactly was your point?

[weazel]

When have I ever talked about killing anyone?

You've been reading the trailer-trash queens book too much hortlund.

[StSanta]

Aye, all weazels posts are really parodies - sarcasm taken to its extreme.

I was here during the Clinton years. I saw the exact same style posts then. Only then it was Republicans doing it, and there was much 'me 2'ing.

And he is right - his hate speech is not different from Ann Coulters. She hates a lot and offers solutions like 'shoot them all' or somesuch. It's amusing, but hard to take seriously.

If one filters off the obvious taunts and get to the points, one will find that below what now is characterized as filth (but wasn't during the Clinton administration) he has got points. And those aren't adressed. The American way of just ignoring stuff one cannot answer is quite effective - doesn't work here in DK but it's very effective here. Used it myself from time to time - pick and choose what part of the argument you want to address - usually the one you have a good answer for .

See Toad/Rip. I AIN'T a republican .

Seriously though. If one takes a step back and compares weazels posts to those made during Clinton administration and the general anti-democrat posts, one will see striking similarities. It's fun to be the attacker, not the victim. Many of weazels arguments are easily refuted and just ignorant vitriol there to incite and annoy. Still, he has some good points in the middle of it. On the other extreme we have Cabby44 - same thing there. i find myself a little shocked sometimes and often laughing at his comments - and there usually is a good point somewhere in there too.

We must not be blinded by our political preferences or the messenger. Instead, I think it is better to address each point individually and independent of the messenger where his or her credibility isn't needed because there is other corroborating evidence.

Objectivity. That's what we need.

[weazel]

There are two kinds of Americans, those who wave the flag and those who think for themselves.

It's like patting your head and rubbing your stomach at the same time, not easy for some....impossible for others, especially hard for the fools/tools who have been indoctrinated into and deceived by what is commonly referred to as "conservative" politics.

Waving the flag is far easier than thinking, this is the main dynamic the Republican Party has used to become the majority rather than the minority in our government.

Even now, after arguably the worst national crisis in our history there's no denying that so called "conservatives" are unwilling to suspend their dedication to a zealously intolerant, hate filled, religeous-based ideology and acknowledge the direction Bush is taking the world is a potential disaster...

[NUKE]

Even now, after arguably the worst national crisis in our history there's no denying that so called "conservatives" are unwilling to suspend their dedication to a zealously intolerant, hate filled, religeous-based ideology and acknowledge the direction Bush is taking the world is a potential disaster...

I thought Liberals were supposed to be tolerant of other people's views and beliefs? Now Weazle posts that anyone that identifies as conservative, religeous, idealogical must acknowledge that thier beliefs are somehow wrong ( as judged by weazle himself) and are leading to potential disaster.

So much for weazle's liberal logic.

Weazle, can you point out a few examples of conservative's intolerent, hate-filled  views? Maybe list a few things Bush has said or done that identify him as "hate-filled and or "intolerant"

Seems to me that weazle is the one that is hate filled and intolerant.

[weazel]

Ever hear of the Arkansas Project Nuke?

You won't find a better example of the right-wings hatred and intolerance.

Until you stuff some knowledge into your pointy little head your not worth bothering with.

As far as your liberal comments go, you wouldn't know one if it bit you on the ass.

In regards to your pathetic attempt to paint me with the hate brush, there's a big difference between candor and hatred...not that you've demonstrated the intelligence to discern the difference in your posts.

Bush is just the white-head on the zit labeled as "conservatism".

Originally posted by NUKE
I thought Liberals were supposed to be tolerant of other people's views and beliefs? Now Weazle posts that anyone that identifies as conservative, religeous, idealogical must acknowledge that thier beliefs are somehow wrong ( as judged by weazle himself) and are leading to potential disaster.

So much for weazle's liberal logic.

Weazle, can you point out a few examples of conservative's intolerent, hate-filled  views? Maybe list a few things Bush has said or done that identify him as "hate-filled and or "intolerant"

Seems to me that weazle is the one that is hate filled and intolerant.

[Preon1]

Originally posted by weazel
There are two kinds of Americans, those who wave the flag and those who think for themselves.

Are you certain you fall in either of these categories?  This thread begins with you misquoting the President.  I doubt you made that graphic yourself, or the other one with the swastika on it.  Looks like you're letting somebody else do the thinking for you.

If you're going to make an intelligent arguement, please let us know what you would rather see and why.

[weazel]

Where do I "misquote" the pResident?

[Preon1]

Already said....

Originally posted by Preon1
Weasel, I don't ever recall the President ever saying that capturing Bin Laden was ever even a priority.  As a matter of fact, the finger wasn't definitely pointed at Bin Laden until several days after 9/11.  BUT, I do recall the President saying that capturing Bin Laden was not one of the objectives of Operation Anaconda.  He said it would be nice, but the purpose of US operations in Afghanistan was the destruction of an infrastructure that supported terrorism.

Let me also remind you that it's not the responsibility of the UN weapons inspectors to FIND weapons.  According to the text of UN resolution 1441, Iraq is supposed to show that they destroyed the weapons and the inspectors will confirm that process.  The fact that there are none to be found is no evidence when it was known to the world that these stockpiles existed in 1993.

Your words are wholly based on a whimsical imagination at the best.  If you're going to make a case against the President, please make one that has some facts behind it.

[Bodhi]

I was really bored this evening so I read through this whole thread and saw an amazing amount of name calling and drivel being thrown about.  I think that Weazel's ideas are warped, but his ideas while maybe a copy of other peoples ideas, are just that his ideas, and he has a right to have them.  

I have my own ideas too.  

I do not believe in abortion (that may change if my wife was to be impregnated by a rapist.)

Definitely for the death penalty.

I know that less taxation on the rich will increase their spending there by boosting the economy, and increasing tax income.

I believe the world will be a better place without Sadaam Hussein.

I think that terrorism should be hunted down to the last person.

I feel that big government is a problem and a major cause of most of our defecit.

Reagonomics worked.

I know that I am safe provided the 2nd Ammendment is around.

The 1st Ammendment while troublesome at times, is the best way for our society.

Government social spending is out of control and needs to be curbed.  Most welfare recipients should be limited to 1 year to PROVE they are working to better themselves before more aid is alotted.

I believe in one nation under God.  God can be whomever you choose.  I happen to know that salvation comes through Jesus Christ, figure it out for yourselves.

These are just a few of my beliefs, the key of it is they change from time to time.  An example as such being my past desires to see us goto war easier.  My experiences since have dictated that I do not wish to send someone into that haelstrom of hell in my stead.  I also believe that the best awesome is a great defense.  

Lay off Weazel, they are his ideas.  He has a right to them.  If you do not agree, pray he changes his ideas, maybe provide him with something to do such.  Just do not call him names, it just lowers you to the school yard mentality.

If you want to call me a conservative, go ahead, I could care less, it is just words, but remeber, I too have a right to defend my beliefs as well.

[Dowding]

I was here during the Clinton years. I saw the exact same style posts then. Only then it was Republicans doing it, and there was much 'me 2'ing.

Ain't that the truth.

[weazel]

You really should pay more attention to what the pResident says preon.

For your amusement and future reference, here's what Bush has said about bin Laden at various points in time, depending on how he was trying to spin things:

"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
- G.W. Bush, 9/13/01
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"I want justice...There's an old poster out West, as I recall, that said, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive,'"
- G.W. Bush, 9/17/01, UPI
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"...Secondly, he is not escaping us. This is a guy, who, three months ago, was in control of a country.

Now he's maybe in control of a cave. He's on the run. Listen, a while ago I said to the American people, our objective is more than bin Laden.

But one of the things for certain is we're going to get him running and keep him running, and bring him to justice. And that's what's happening.

He's on the run, if he's running at all. So we don't know whether he's in cave with the door shut, or a cave with the door open -- we just don't know...."

- Bush, attempting to speak coherently to the Press Travel Pool, The Prairie Chapel Ranch, Crawford TX, 12/28/01, as reported on the official White House site.
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"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority.

"I am truly not that concerned about him."

- G.W. Bush, waffling to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02
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Your words are wholly based on a whimsical imagination at the best. If you're going to make a case against the President, please make one that has some facts behind it.

Those are the pResidents exact words and dates he spewed them.

I guess we should all excuse his short attention span and life-long habit of leaving things half done.....right?

Does the "W" stand for Waffling?


Bodhi, some of the beliefs you state are more in line with "old time" conservative values, the swill being pumped out in Washington and repackaged as conservatism these days is not....it's nothing more than lip service.