Idiots!

[funkedup]

Originally posted by mrsid2
The biggest mistake you can make in battle is to underestimate your enemy. You better hope your leaders opinnions are not as arrogant and stupid like the couple above.

The troops that were surrendering had been camping there for weeks with no supply, food or water. They had no hope nor did they probably even want to fight for the dictator whose method of power is keeping his people in fear. However the picture fed to you by the coalition censored and controlled media is not the whole truth. Just as they made people think they were using only smart bombs while about 10% of the payload landed there was 'smart' in any way.

Most of you seem to forget that the picture official Iraqi or US media gives you might not (or most probably doesn't) represent the opinnions and thoughts of an average Iraqian. They suffer under dictatorship with little food and no healthcare to speak of. The average Iraqian might be as excited as you about getting rid of Saddam, but nobody can say it out loud because they'd be shot.

If there will be a war, millions of decent and innocent people will suffer for the stupidity and arrogance of their religious and political leaders. If they had the choice they would change that. They don't.

You people seem to be totally overwhelmed by the propaganda fed to you by the media. It's so easy to bomb another country if you conveniently forget they are people just like you and me. They have families and children just like you and me. They eat and breathe just like you and me. They're not all animals albeit the powers that be up there aren't the brightest of the bunch. If a newspaper writes mocking articles about US because Saddam's propaganda office tells them to, it doesn't mean this is the opinnion of everyone in Iraq.

It's the diddlying religius fundamentalism and the brainwashing that's the root of this whole damn problem.

[mrsid2]

Funkedup you have a different opinnion about this?

Tell me, how many Iraqians do you know in person? Do you know a single thing about them outside of what you read in the media?

[funkedup]

I have the same opinion pretty much.  I just don't need somebody calling me arrogant and stupid and telling me a bunch of info that I already know.

Do you have a different opinion than my statements about Iraqi surrender?  Both the incidents I refer to were caught on video very clearly.

[mrsid2]

Funkedup don't tell me you base your opinnions on the 'news' the coalition media machine was delivering? Lol.

Probably things went just as they described, but after Vietnam you have to realise your government won't make the same mistake again. Take everything you see with a grain of salt. Did they mention anything about the chemical weapons used against your ground troops during the war? Nope. That's just one example of the things that have revealed later.

The media was extremely suppressed and gave out only information that was approved by the coalition media officers

[funkedup]

You're not addressing my question.

[mrsid2]

Sorry funked you were not reading my answer, it seems.


Edit: btw if you thought generally the same way, my rant wasn't addressed to you obviously.

[funkedup]

OK np.

I just was wondering if you thought they fabricated the video from the UAV and the Blackhawk, which show Iraqis marching out of trenches with white flags held high.

[funkedup]

Probably things went just as they described, but after Vietnam you have to realise your government won't make the same mistake again

I see what you are saying, and agree.  The "real time" stuff on TV is heavily filtered.  But if you read enough books (and talk to enough military people) you get to learn a lot of interesting things after it's all over.

[-Concho-]

Originally posted by Cabby44
Quote:

"The "enemy" can be just as capable of honor"

Are you talking about the Iraqi Army??   Caught in the desert with their stolen stereos, TV's, cars, pickups, etc., and if not killed outright by Coalition forces,  surrendered in droves by crawling on their bellies begging for mercy???

Yeah, pretty effin "honorable".......

Idiot Lefties............

Cabby

TO further Animal's point, it is much easier to kill something you feel is sub-human.  Give it a face and a name, or even a family, things become more difficult.

btw.  do you think we have never took "trophies" from battle?

[Animal]

Originally posted by Cabby44
Quote:

"The "enemy" can be just as capable of honor"

blah blah blah

Idiot Lefties............

Cabby

Now anything YOU say is meaningless.

[Hortlund]

I think everyone should notice how I refrain from posting in this thread.

Instead Im sitting here listening to some really good music.

Better for the nerves you see.

[MaxPower]

Lol hortlund..

That might be also wise with the censor striking lately.

I hear people dropping like flies..

[hazed-]

Twolf i think its clear your statements were kneejerk reaction to what can only be described as a truelly antagonistic statement at the very time when it will cause the most anger. Perfectly understandable. I get the feeling from your further replies this isnt what you would normally be like.

[straffo]

Originally posted by Cabby44
^ Because i'm planning the invasion of France.........


Actually:  In answer to your non-sequitur,   what does my location have to do with the alleged "honor" of the Iraqi Army??   Or is this just more ignorant bleatings from Anti-American Euro-Trash???

C.

because I find this "Vae Victis" attitude far from honorable

[Dowding]

TWolf has always seemed quite reasonable before. Sometimes we post in anger and give the wrong impression.