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Offline Toad

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« on: February 05, 2003, 08:39:59 AM »
After Iraq threw out the UN Inspectors last time, what force, what factor, what issue made them to decide to let them back in?

Now that they're back in and Blix himself says they're not getting enough cooperation, what force, what factor, what issue is causing the Iraqis to try and accomodate the concerns and issues Blix has recently raised?

What if all that needs doing gets accomplished without a shot being fired? What if just moving troops around resolved the Inspection/disarmament concerns?

How would all of you view that circumstance?

I've read a lot of pro/con stuff on the bbs about the potential conflict in Iraq.

What will all the pro-sayers and nay-sayers post if this thing is "resolved" without resorting to invasion and "regime change"?

Yeah, it's a "what if"... but I'd like to see what the various posters here would say then.

Please comment.
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« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2003, 08:47:41 AM »
Hussein is scared toejamLESS. He knows that this time, a war may mean the end of him and not just his army.

I seriously believe he doesnt have enough weapons to be a threat (much to his disdain) so he will do everything in his power other than getting on his knees to avoid a war and prolong peace long enough to find those weapons.

IMO this conflict can be solved without a shot fired - but some people want shots fired.
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« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2003, 08:50:02 AM »
He's not scared, Animal.  Arrogance breeds over-confidence.
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« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2003, 08:52:26 AM »
He obviously dont want to look scared, but he very well knows that this may well be the end of his regime and his life. His days are numbered and there seems to be NOTHING he can do to stop it with Bush on the presidency.

Oh, he's scared alright.
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« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2003, 08:54:05 AM »
I was thinking that by moving all the manpower and war equipment to the Middle East, Bush was in a win/win situation, even though the cost is huge...

The presence of the USA war machine just outside his gates greatly increase the likelyhood of Iraq's disarming - and its worth the cost involved if its settled peacefully.

If Iraq fails to disarm, USA forces are in place.

I'm all for a peacefull disarmament. That would be wonderful for the whole world.
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« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2003, 08:55:35 AM »
Perhaps I should be more specific.

If Blix and the Inspector group get all the access they want on their terms.. U2 flights and all... for as long as they want WITHOUT shots being fired...

Will all the "pro" posters deluge us with "we still need to invade" posts

and will all the "no war" posters finally admit that maybe all the troops mobilization and sabre rattling was necessary to get this done?


Inquiring minds want to know.
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« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2003, 08:57:53 AM »
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and will all the "no war" posters finally admit that maybe all the troops mobilization and sabre rattling was necessary to get this done?


Definetly (on my part)

And I'm sure most of the 'Pros' will continue posting with "We Need to Invade". They will look reasons. And not only the BBS posters but politicians as well.

Some people are warmongers even if they dont admit it.
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« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2003, 08:58:06 AM »
Toad, I think its too late for that.  Today, Powell will show satellite photos' of portable Chemical Weapons labs, taped conversions, etc.  They have the smoking gun in the form of a few military shells, but today, they'll show us the source of the fire.
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« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2003, 09:07:02 AM »
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Originally posted by Oedipus
What if it's all a pretext to attacking and invading France?

Ever think of that?

 Oed


If its not, then it SHOULD be. :D
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« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2003, 09:21:11 AM »
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Perhaps I should be more specific.

If Blix and the Inspector group get all the access they want on their terms.. U2 flights and all... for as long as they want WITHOUT shots being fired...

Will all the "pro" posters deluge us with "we still need to invade" posts

and will all the "no war" posters finally admit that maybe all the troops mobilization and sabre rattling was necessary to get this done?


Inquiring minds want to know. - Toad



Toad, I think you've got the wrong mindset on this. Iraq has to "DISARM."

That is different than "ALLOW INSPECTIONS"

Even if Iraq would allow the Easter Egg hunt to continue, he is failing to disarm - that will be apparent after Powell's address.
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Re: No Shots Fired in Iraq as yet... SO
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2003, 09:21:39 AM »
No Shots Fired in Iraq as yet?!?!
Well only if you conveniently discount the almost daily bombings...

January 31st
January 26th
January 25th
January 19th
January 17th
January 13th
January 10th
January 8th
January 7th
January 4th
January 3rd ?
January 2nd
January 1st

Source: US Bombing Watch
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« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2003, 09:21:46 AM »
gotta be a time limit ....

wasn't 10/12 years long enough?

ultimatum time
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« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2003, 09:39:21 AM »
Toad, my hope it's that this situation will be solved without a war, but maybe I need to clarify why.

I am against ANY dictator, religious or not.

Saddam it's a mad man, and a danger, for Iraq aswell the rest of the world.

But the price of the war will not be payed by him, but by the people under his foot, he will save his sorry ...... and run for a friendly country (even France, why not? ;) ).

Is this idea that disturb me, the price that innocent people would pay.

I imagin you will ask for a solution..... I have'nt.

Every scenario I "plan" have some ugly end.

The only one that have some lesser ugly end it's the same that helped the US to beat URSS (notice: helped), propaganda.

Something like Voice of America, Hollywood movies, and so on, to let that people see a bright and beautiful world on the other side of the fence (even if is not true ;) ), then wait the mix to boil up, and then send helps for the rebels.

But it's a too long in time plan for a president that have to bring results to a bloodthirsted electorate :( .
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« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2003, 09:39:30 AM »
Dead,

If you want to debate the legality of the Security Council resolutions vis-a-vis the "no fly" zones, please do so in another thread.

The "no fly zones" have been in effect since the end of the Gulf War. One would think if the Security Council had a "problem" with them, there'd have been a clarifying resolution or at least an attempt to do so, no?

I'll be happy to continue to discuss it in a thread you start. You can clip this, post it and we'll begin anew in there, ok?

Thanks.
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« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2003, 09:42:39 AM »
Naso, you miss the point of my question.

It's not about "war" per se.. it's about NO war.

What if all this build up to war achieves the goals of the UN without an invasion of Iraq?

What will the anti-war crowd that's been lambasting Bush say then?

What will the "must be a regime change" folks say then?

What if we achieve inspection/disarmament by doing what Bush is doing WITHOUT the war?

Will anyone praise him?

Will anyone still condemn him?

We're all looking for a "peaceful" solution. What if this serious preparation for war provides it?
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