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Offline Krusher

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I think it is time for the USA
« on: February 05, 2003, 07:22:06 PM »
To get 50 votes in the United Nations.

After all the European Union gets multiple votes.

Offline weazel

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« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2003, 07:40:55 PM »
For the U.S. to withdraw from the U.N.

Reason being, as easymo put it on another forum:

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"The reason the founders built gridlock into the system was so no individual, or party, could just take over.  And do whatever they like.

 As long as the Prez has to deal with the people on the other side of the isle.  He effectively has to deal with us, the people. What they have been doing, starting with Korea, is bully the UN into sanctioning some action they want.  Then in turn using that sanction to bully congress, and us.  

  We need to start shutting these end runs down.  We need to get the diddly out of the UN."

Offline mietla

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« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2003, 07:59:36 PM »
So why have we sent troops to Haiti, Somalia and Serbia again?

Offline emodin

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« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2003, 08:01:17 PM »
The European Union is not a soverign state, it is an international governmental organization. Only recognized soverign states are voting members of the UN.

While I can understand why a lot of people (at least in the US) are upset with the UN, it is important to remember that the UN is an important body. Everyone seems to be upset because member states have voiced opposing views towards the US views, but this is an IMPORTANT part of the UN (IMHO). The UN's key role is getting together a diverse group of countries with a diverse group of viewpoints to discuss issues that can be controversial. This can help countries to both undestand where they are coming from and to know how to deal with one another. AND it can help us to understand what we need to do to convince others that we are doing the right thing.

The UN also helps to bring important matters to the attention of most of the international community in an expeditious manner. The key example of this would be Sec. State Powell's recent briefing to the UN. Without the ability to go to the UN, the State Department would have to individually go to each country to present the case and the evidence. This way Powell only has to go to one place, and the whole world gets to watch what he says. I don't know a better way of getting our point accross than that.

Remember: the UN has no power unto itself; it has to get the cooperation of other member nations to supply it troops, money, food/medical aid, ect. All decisions made by the UN are, in fact, made by member nations who agree to go along. The UN has no means to enforce it's measures by itself. It is, in other words, more of a consensus building organization, NOT an enforcement or lawmaking organiztion (since it has no independent means of forcing other parties to do what it asks).

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« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2003, 08:09:13 PM »
As I posted in another thread, I want the US to leave the UN as well. Let France take over funding the UN.

"It is now reasonable to ask whether the United States should now or on any other occasion subordinate vital national interests to a show of hands by nations who do not share our interests"


France should no longer be considered our ally


I don't want to ever go before the UN again when our national interests are at stake. The UN is useless, why should we need there approval? Screw the UN.

I want the US to leave the UN and stop all funding for the UN. I want all our international aid to any country to be conditional on  their support and alliance to the US.

I'm tired of all the US food aid we give the world being labeled "UN" food aid. We pay for it, we should have the US flag on all the food and aid we give. If those countries don't like it, then they don't get our aid.

Ahhhh, feel so much better now! :)

Offline mietla

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« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2003, 08:25:33 PM »

Offline Swager

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« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2003, 09:03:38 PM »
The cartoon is funny!

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Rock:  Ya see that Ensign, lighting the cigarette?
Powell: Yes Rock.
Rock: Well that's where I got it, he's my son.
Powell: Really Rock, well I'd like to meet him.
Rock:  No ya wouldn't.

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« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2003, 09:21:34 PM »
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Remember: the UN has no power unto itself; it has to get the cooperation of other member nations to supply it troops, money, food/medical aid, ect.


Change that to :

Remember: the UN has no power unto itself; it has to get the cooperation of the UNITED STATES to supply it troops, money, food/medical aid, ect.

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« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2003, 09:50:02 PM »
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Originally posted by Raubvogel
Change that to :

Remember: the UN has no power unto itself; it has to get the cooperation of the UNITED STATES to supply it troops, money, food/medical aid, ect.


Damn straight !  Screw the UN. We need to leave the UN, screw them.

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« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2003, 12:36:54 AM »
Never knew stupidity could condensate to something touchable, now I've seen it all.

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« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2003, 02:19:48 AM »
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Originally posted by mietla
So why have we sent troops to Haiti, Somalia and Serbia again?


Clinton needed media focus elsewhere.

Compare US domestic political scandals/potential scandals with US involvement in war overseas during the 92-00 time period.

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« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2003, 02:29:59 AM »
Wow, the post has gone on this long without a response from Habu?  Can someone go check to make sure he didn't fall over dead after spending 88 hours straight in front of his computer bashing France and Germany?


j/k Habu :D

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« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2003, 11:32:57 AM »
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Clinton needed media focus elsewhere.

Compare US domestic political scandals/potential scandals with US involvement in war overseas during the 92-00 time period.


Tsk tsk, you're beginning to sound like Grünherz's compulsary 'I have the all-consuming need to fit in with the conservative, patriotic and true american right-wingers by whom I so desperately wish to be accepted'-routine. Any plans of getting a green card soon?

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« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2003, 02:13:27 PM »
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IF the US leaves the UN you are of course welcome to withdraw you funding, but at least pay what you owe them now. The rest of the UN would have to compensate for the loss of the USA contribution, shouldn't be too difficult.


I'm pretty sure that what France and Germany, and several other world war nations, owe the US would offset what the US owes the UN.
-SW

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« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2003, 02:32:28 PM »
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Clinton needed media focus elsewhere.

Compare US domestic political scandals/potential scandals with US involvement in war overseas during the 92-00 time period.


Concocting a pseudo connection from the time frame means nothing.