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Offline batdog

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« on: February 07, 2003, 08:44:03 AM »
Well.... my cousin works for a French Company that sells some sort of medical chemicals and has a office based in Texas. Anyway..he said the French believe in "Lasse Fare (SP???)" Capitolism.

 I really think this is where most of the precieved conflict of interest exists. They, the French, wish to sell thier products and goods to all. We see some of these products and such as a threat to our interests.

 I dont know if this applies to all French but it seems like this is the National policy as well?

Straffo..is this so?

Frenchy.. shed us some light?

THIS IS NOT the begining of a flame fest. I'm curious to see how the nationals of French precieve this?

xBAT
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« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2003, 09:37:49 AM »
lol Lasse Fare
"Laissez Faire" The French are kinda like that :)
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« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2003, 09:57:19 AM »
"bon jour, mahmoud... care to purchase some fine nuclear plants? no?? perhaps a few dozen chemical labs??"
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« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2003, 10:24:54 AM »
Means "Free Market"

I think we all kinda believe in that don't we?


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An economic doctrine that opposes governmental regulation of or interference in commerce beyond the minimum necessary for a free-enterprise system to operate according to its own economic laws.
Noninterference in the affairs of others.






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« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2003, 10:29:20 AM »
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Means "Free Market"

I think we all kinda believe in that don't we?


Aye - its loosely understood to describe a practise of "Government - keep your hands off the economy."  Or, as Target stated, quite simply, "Free Market."

This isnt solely a French concept - its a Capitalist concept - the only states that dont operate this way are Socialist states.
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« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2003, 10:32:20 AM »
damn, miko, where the hell are yah when we need yah??
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« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2003, 12:09:07 PM »
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Means "Free Market"

I think we all kinda believe in that don't we?



Yes... and no. We do not sell breeder reactors to dictatorships. We do sell weapons to unsavory types who are fighting unsavory types who dislike us though. Its all a matter of perspective I quess... but at times perhaps the French attitude goes overboard?

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« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2003, 01:07:37 PM »
Hangtime: damn, miko, where the hell are yah when we need yah??

 Yes, sir! :)

 Laissez Faire Capitalism meant that government does not regulate anything. The "minimal government regulations" MT mentions are protection of property from theft and enforcement of contracts. No other regulations - no trade controls, no labor laws, no safety laws - nothing. Well, meybe except for anti-trust laws but the jury is not decided on that.  All transactions are voluntary. Free market and competition for resources and labor take care of everything.

 The french are one of the most socialised countries ever - economically, socially and ideologically. And they are proud of that. Laissez Faire is a swear word for them.

We see some of these products and such as a threat to our interests.

 As F. Bastiat convincingly shown almost two centuries ago, free trade cannot possibly be harmfull to a state even if the other state does not conduct free-trade policy - like bans imports or subcidises exports.
 Here is the gist. If it is to a nation's advantage to get cheaper and more plentifull product due to technological innovation or better production organisation, why is it different if the same product can be bought cheaper from abroad?

 All those cases cost jobs and business to particular people but the cheaper product creates jobs and business to more people. The nation utilises the resources better.
 If Canadians are subcidising our wood lumber consumption with their tax dollars, if they really were so stupid - how would it be harmfull for us? Some of our lumber producers would go out of business but cheap lumber would increase consumption - paper production, construction, etc. creating more jobs of higher technological level.

 The only exceptions are related to security of the state - military and political. Japan cannot import all the food from overseas - if something happenes and they do not have farming at all, they go extinct, so they keep alive rice growing even if it would be cheaper to buy ours.
 In this case the subcidies should openly come from defence/security budget.

 miko
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« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2003, 01:07:42 PM »
I've not followed French Economics to any great extent, but my admittedly uninformed impression is that they somewhat practice market control. Don't various trade groups have a strong influence, along with cultural purists? How does this compare to the other members of the EU and is this a point of friction?

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« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2003, 02:28:53 PM »
"Laissez Faire" reminds me of its american meaning, exactly " LETS DO IT"
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« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2003, 04:21:40 AM »
I'm not in the mood to to a long answer to your post xbat but I've bookmarked this thread and I'll try to write a longuer answer

but shortly :" Laisser faire" == ultra-capitalism ala England in the 19th no SS, no tax , not any social help and if possible no salary for the worker (in fact it's better if the worker can pay their boss)...
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Offline Hangtime

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« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2003, 09:30:38 AM »
straffo, I'd very much enjoy moderating the debate.. miko has some very developed views on the subject that i'm not at all comfortable with outside a labratory, and it appears you have a point of view that might bear fruit in enlighting me on why miko's vision of a unfettered economy scares the livin toejam outta me.

when you get a chance, please do come back to this thread!!

thanks!
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« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2003, 02:49:16 PM »
Laissez Faire, america had this belief once. It was one of the reasons the great depression happened.
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« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2003, 04:43:52 PM »
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Means "Free Market"

I think we all kinda believe in that don't we?


Well, in the case of the US and France the  "Free Market" concept is like a one way street ;)
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