Author Topic: Which guys FE did this one occur on? (Read 632 times)

Mathman · « **on:** February 10, 2003, 02:04:29 PM »

Which guy was the one to whine on channel 1 after this?

Mini D · « **Reply #1 on:** February 10, 2003, 02:09:17 PM »

Russians discover a paint job does not the Blue Angels make.

Anyone know if that pilot made it out OK? Likes like a shot precariously close to the cockpit.

MiniD

Soulyss · « **Reply #2 on:** February 10, 2003, 02:13:31 PM »

If this is the incident I'm thinking of, I believe the pilot was able to eject and survived, but I don't recall the extent of his injuries.

funkedup · « **Reply #3 on:** February 10, 2003, 02:15:19 PM »

Now we know why Russian ejection seats are the best. They test them at airshows around the world.

funkedup · « **Reply #4 on:** February 10, 2003, 02:16:24 PM »

Both pilots were OK.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #5 on:** February 10, 2003, 02:17:19 PM »

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Originally posted by funkedup
Now we know why Russian ejection seats are the best. They test them at airshows around the world.

Are you guys trolling for Boroda again?

Hawklore · « **Reply #6 on:** February 10, 2003, 02:23:01 PM »

out of curiosty, what plane is that?

narsus · « **Reply #7 on:** February 10, 2003, 02:26:14 PM »

They had a whole show about this on the discovery channel a week or so ago.

Short version, it involved clouds, radio channel being used by someone else (they couldnt communicate), they were getting close to the audience, and the guy on the bottom was below and in front of the guy he smashed into so he couldnt see him.

I would explain further but it really wasnt anyone fault per se and both pilots survived and noone was killed.

Mig-29's hawklore

nuchpatrick · « **Reply #8 on:** February 10, 2003, 02:37:38 PM »

Boy talk about poor SA and these guys have their licence!?!?!

Mini D · « **Reply #9 on:** February 10, 2003, 02:39:44 PM »

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Originally posted by narsus
I would explain further but it really wasnt anyone fault per se and both pilots survived and noone was killed.

What an increadible mistatement. Spreading the blame does not negate it. Any one of those conditions has caused flights to cancel out of airshows in the past.

MiniD

narsus · « **Reply #10 on:** February 10, 2003, 03:31:22 PM »

it happened during the flight, the pilot on the bottom followed airshow procedure and performed an emergency manuever, ok lets blame someone ok the helicopter taking off and using the wrong radio channel.

Happy, hope it makes you feel better

Hawklore · « **Reply #11 on:** February 10, 2003, 03:35:22 PM »

Actualy, its realy the russians trying out a new secreat weapon

You know during WWII when they would use there props when outa ammo to tear up the rudder and elevators of the enemys plane? Just an evolved technic

Mini D · « **Reply #12 on:** February 10, 2003, 04:30:27 PM »

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Originally posted by narsus
it happened during the flight, the pilot on the bottom followed airshow procedure and performed an emergency manuever, ok lets blame someone ok the helicopter taking off and using the wrong radio channel.

Happy, hope it makes you feel better

Still doesn't make any sense... at least not according to what you said before. So.... let me make it clear to you, so you can understand what goes into airshow decisions:

Cloud Cover: If its low, you stay below it. If its too low, you don't do the show.
Radios: If your radio goes out, you progress out of the airshow area and come in with tower guidance. YOU DO NOT DO AN EMERGENCY MANEUVER.

Bad decisions were made and two planes collided. The fact that nobody was hurt (spectators) was based solely on luck... because common sense didn't show up that day.

I've worked the tower in too many airshows. I've listened to too much radio traffic on the subject. I've seen shows with low clouds that cause the low alt show, and cancelled a show. I've seen a show where a member of the team lost his radio...

"Nobody was at fault"

MiniD

narsus · « **Reply #13 on:** February 10, 2003, 04:43:21 PM »

Perhaps you didn't understand my statement, I am at work and rushed typing this out.

Pilot A did not deliberately hit Pilot B, it was not due to russian equipment or malfunction. Pilot A the flight leader pulled up because and you can correct me if I am wrong, planes are no longer allowed to fly over the crowd. They are confined within a box of airspace dependent, on what kind of show is being performed.

Rather than put 300 people at risk he put himself,
what should he have done?
he was 5 seconds away from being over the crowd, no radio (someone else was talking on channel) and no visual of his wingman. You have been in a tower before you tell me.

Rolling your eyes is not necessary. Just ask for more info of what I was trying to say, automatically jumping down someones throat for an incomplete statement (by my own admission in the original post) is no reason to be hostile.

Mini D · « **Reply #14 on:** February 10, 2003, 04:53:51 PM »

Firstly,

The rules change as far as designated corridors go. I have a tendancy to think they weren't necessarily that close to the crowd if their debris did not hit it.

The maneuver itself is what could easily be questioned. When you loose communications, nobody else knows it as soon as you do. Any violent maneuver should not be a result. Drifting into clearly visible space should be. Basically, darting into a blind spot was a bad decision.

When two aircraft with fully functioning flight controls collide, someone did something wrong.

MiniD