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Offline Dowding

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« on: February 12, 2003, 03:37:20 AM »
Saw that fella responsible for 'Homeland Security' urging Americans to buy duck-tape to tape around their windows, presumably to hermetically seal their houses from chemical and biological attack.

Do Americans really find that advice helpful? To me it sounds suspiciously like the 'In the event of an outbreak of MAD inspired conflict, hiding under a table will dramatically increase your chances of surviving a H-bomb attack'.

Seems designed to inspire fear and panic among people, and perhaps garner more support for war. Perhaps a little patronising too.
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« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2003, 03:55:20 AM »
actually you can effectively seal a "room" with duct tape and plastic. Especially against chemical agents. You only need to do so for a short time.

But thats not really the point, should something happen and the government gave no "advice" then, in particularly the left, some would blame the administration for not "aiding" the public. Just like some do know by accusing Bush of knowing before hand about the WTC attacks.

The whole "colored" threat chart thing is only there as a feel good tool. Should a a remote aircraft fly over a populated area spraying anthrax or whatever that little color chart wont help a bit. But I assumed this type of "feel good" thing is something the left usually would go for......

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« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2003, 03:58:46 AM »
'Protect and Survive'

ROFL.

Remember that. Talk about putting the wind up a whole nation. Useless information designed to frighten you out of your wits.

Here's how to build a nuclear shelter in your own house. (from the actual leaflet.

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« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2003, 04:00:55 AM »
I was looking for that old 50s film "Duck and Cover" or atleast the song....

Its about as useful as the current version......

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« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2003, 04:16:59 AM »
LOOOOL

If there is a nuclear explosion near to you : DONT LOOK IN THE LIGHT !

LOOOOL

Are they mad to give such stupid advices? I think the "light" would be a minor problems if there is a nuclear explosion near me...

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« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2003, 05:21:08 AM »
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Originally posted by babek-
LOOOOL

If there is a nuclear explosion near to you : DONT LOOK IN THE LIGHT !

LOOOOL

Are they mad to give such stupid advices? I think the "light" would be a minor problems if there is a nuclear explosion near me...


It depends.

You can laugh as you want, but at those time the risk was REAL.

If you are... say... 10 or more miles distance of the explotion, you can risk main body burns by the UVA, but if you look "the ball" rising in the sky, your eyes are permanently damaged.

In short, you'll survive, but become blind.

The same can be told about the "shelter" in the image above, can grant some safety if you are a certain distance, avoiding you the "projectiles" accelerated by the shock wave, or the heat of the UVA.
Or simply, the eventual partial collapse of the house.

Sometime the A-bomb is percieved as the "Armageddon", but it's not.
Powerfull, destructive, with many long term consequencies, but ONE bomb it's not the end of the world.

Just check some info about Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

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« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2003, 05:31:19 AM »
The nuclear fallout would do the most killing. But, having spent a large proportion of my life 20 miles equidistant from a nuclear bomber base and a major city equipped with government nuclear bunkers, I should think a home-made shelter would be pretty useless.
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« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2003, 05:53:34 AM »
Dowding, it's useless if you are under a certain distance

depending on the power and type of explosion.

And the target.

And the terrain conformation.

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« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2003, 08:09:53 AM »
The shocking thing about 'Protect and Survive' is that whilst we poor mugs sat under our lean-to shelters trying to stay out of the fallout, our esteemed bureaucrats would be cowering in their underground citadels with food and air con.

If a nuclear exchange took place in 1980 between NATO and Warsaw Pact, it would have been, by all accounts, devastating. 'Protect and Survive' was meant to try and reassure people that they could live through an all out nuclear war.

People weren't that stupid, and knew that a nuclear war would mean the end of their world, even though the planet would still be intact. The end of their world means millions dead within 12 months. No more foreign holidays, no more fresh food for a while. Ecological catastrophe, disease, hunger, deprivation, probably martial law and a number of other less pleasant burdens.

Parallels with Hiroshima & Nagasaki are not valid comparisons with the estimated scale of a nuclear war in the 80s. Those were 2 small bombs, Kiloton warheads. During the 80s, there were hundreds, if not thousands of warheads, each an order of magnitude more powerful than Little Boy or Fat Man, pointed at targets accross Europe and Asia.

'Protect and Survive' outlined a futile plan as a palliative measure for a populace that was largely doomed to die in the event of a nuclear confrontation. Interestingly it was never issued, and remained for sale only.

If they had popped it through every letter box in the country, mass panic would have resulted, so they were avoiding doing so until they absolutely had to.

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« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2003, 08:15:06 AM »
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Do Americans really find that advice helpful?

No.  Maybe you could lend us your expertise?

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« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2003, 08:24:21 AM »
it's CYA

in this day and age it is sadly necessary

but then again we have ppl who'd walk right out in front of a bus if not told to look both ways before crossing the street...
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« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2003, 08:24:39 AM »
Looks like Bounder blew your chance to bash the Homeland security advice Dowding. ;)

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« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2003, 08:28:04 AM »
So that's a 'no', then ra?

Wasn't bashing anything Ripsnort. I was wondering what Americans thought of the advice - to me, it seems like roadkill.
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« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2003, 08:30:17 AM »
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Originally posted by Dowding


Wasn't bashing anything Ripsnort. I was wondering what Americans thought of the advice - to me, it seems like roadkill.


Hehe!

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« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2003, 08:33:02 AM »
Apart from that particular advice, I mean.
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