1.08 is an interesting concept, but not for me

[highflyer]

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[AKSWulfe]

I've never used bug free software.

I've never used software that released patches to make the software bug free that actually made the software bug free.

I think some people need to take a reality pill.
-SW

[NATEDOG]

LePaul, you misunderstood what HT said..... he said with 300 beta testers, they never complained about the trees. After we had a release, it was brought to our attention, so we fixed it...... rather quickly I might add.

[TUCKO6]

I've never used bug free software.
I've never used software that released patches to make the software bug free that actually made the software bug free.

I think some people need to take a reality pill.
-SW

 

That's about the most realistic post I've seen on that matter...

I personally think, that even with all the things that are "wrong" with the new version, it's STILL the best sim/game out there, and it makes me as happy as a pimple faced sheep farmer in West Virginia.  

[LePaul]

Natedog:  Great!

I'm all for seeing it tweaked, I'm simply puzzled at the "anomalies" we saw at release.  That's all.

Moan n groan all you want, I maintain my opinion some of these "undocumented features" were rather silly.

I'm not expecting perfection, but surely someone rolled a buff during development and whacked a tree or two?

Bah, nevermind, they wouldn't confess anyways  

[hitech]

LePaul:
 

 
I dunno, I just hold I higher standard in regards to the software we make. We wouldn't release software, no matter how anxious the public was for it, without thorough testing. Its one thing to hurry up and get it out, its another to wait an extra day/week/whatever and make sure there isn't anything blatantly mesed up. 1.08 seems like it was shoved out the door to beat the con.

If this isn't a statement of we are way better than you I don't know what is.

It implies we suck at our jobs. It is an attack and insult to every person at this company. It implies we don't care about our product or company. It is so far overboard that it does require a response.

As for testing, why do you think we did 14 beta versions, it was to take care of the major issuses.
I also seem to rember you in the beta process complaining that we didn't do anything to help you get the beta version to run. You do know that in a beta processes it's not the developers job to get people to be able to run the beta, but wrather the beta testers job to just report what dosn't work? I would assume a long time developer like you would understand this.

btw exatly what type of code and systems do you write or design?


HiTech

[SKurj]

Last time LePaul went off like this I believe he quit in tears...


SKurj

[LePaul]

Wrong (again) Skurj

Well HiTech, call it what you want.  I'm not going to turn this thread into a bash and for you to play the victim.  Nice try.

As I said, if you wanna have a colorful debate in this matter, drop me an email.  I'm not going to defend my position, and the countless cheerleaders that will want to spout their 2 cents here in the public forum since the matter is between you and I.

You're doing all the implying here, and painting me with a broad brush that isn't true.

If you don't wanna chat about it, that's fine.  Ain't seen an email from ya yet so I assume you aren't seriously interested in my point of view and merely want to harp on with conjectures, then have at.  

What I write, code and develop isn't the point of discussion.  The testing process, which is part of what I do at my full time job, was what I was discussing.  This isn't "my code is better than yours" kinda stuff.  Nice try.

[AKSWulfe]

Originally posted by LePaul:
Well HiTech, call it what you want.  I'm not going to turn this thread into a bash

Too late, you already did that.

What software do you make/test? I'm willing to bet I could find bugs in it.

EDIT: And while I'm here, I want to show something to you:
"I couldn't disagree more, since the bugs that were so rampant effected all configurations....re-read what was mentioned...the trees, 1 ping ack, etc...these things effect all systems, not just some and not the other."

I'm not so sure you test software after reading this line. "BUGS" are problems with the software. The Trees, well hell, those worked just fine. I beta tested the version when trees were added. Worked like trees, looked like trees- I believe they were supposed to be trees! 1 Ping ack, well man... you are just on a roll here. There are different kinds of ack at a field. From .50cal to 88mm. There are 20mm and 40mm guns down there on the field- and those are what are doing the 1 ping kills. Now don't tell me a Flakpanzer hasn't taken you out with 1 ping?!?!

Those were the only two things you mentioned, and as I stated they are not bugs. They did what they were supposed to do.
-SW

[ 10-09-2001: Message edited by: SWulfe ]

[Blue Mako]

Sorry guys don't want to fan the flames but this struck me as really funny...

 

Originally posted by LePaul:
Call it elistist, bad taste (note the spelling, thank you) or whatever.

Anyone ever spell elitist with more than one s?

"Pot to kettle, you're black, over."

I don't think any of us can claim to be perfect spellers or typists around here.  

P.S. I think 1.08 is great.  Just refine the inst-a-death trees, okay?  

[bowser]

Just when I think you can't be a bigger twit Lepaul, you prove me wrong again.

bowser

[LePaul]

Yawn, whatever.  Pig pile on me, it seems.

Put your poms poms in a neat pile before you jump in  

The point of the thread has been thrown aside.  My point was that the bugs we saw with the initial release were pretty much in your face.  That's it.  All my point is is this:  WHy'd that release get out the door like that?  <shrug>  Instead, its bash me for this and that.  Great, whatever.  But my thought is with so many folks testing this thing, I find it laughable no one noticed trees sitting on the end of every runway, resets on base captures, etc....that's all!

But rather than respond to that, I'm asked "What do I code" and "Let's see your programming", etc etc.  So let's accuse the accuser kinda thing.  That's silly.  So whatever...I'm sorry I asked the obvious to the disapporval of the blowhards.

If I hated Aces High, I wouldn't be in here or playing every night, much less paying for a friend's subscription since I've told him such great things about the program.

But hey, everyone likes a villian....guess that's me.

[moose]

the only thing i hafta say here is that the trees didn't make it into the betas from what I could understand. They were in the 1st release of 1.08.

either way, problem with them is fixed now so it's kinda a moot point.

[Midnight]

Originally posted by LePaul:
But rather than respond to that, I'm asked "What do I code" and "Let's see your programming", etc etc.  So let's accuse the accuser kinda thing.  That's silly.  

LePaul.. you were asked about your software for a very good reason. You tell us your public released program and we will try it out. If we find bugs or problems with it, well, then you have no good reason to squeak at HTC, as your own product may be flawed.

OTOH, if your softwae is perfect, then you can consider yourself a guru of sorts.

Either way, You should really stop calling the Trees bugs. They aren't. I think the trees were randomly placed by software. None showed up where they sholdn't have, like IN the runway. It was an oversight to allow them to be close to the runway, not a bug.

If the AA is bugged, it isn't for 1 ping kills. It is for being able to shoot down fast moving A/C at extreme range yet not be able to hit a slow moving A/C right on top of it. That is a bug.

[mrfish]

yeah so take that lepaul you bastard! <hops on mandatory flame bandwagon>

lol - i would think a bomber guy would be cooing with glee at all the new targets!

what's with the tree problem? maybe if they were spruce or larch? is it a palm thing bd? - come pal, admit it.... it is isn't it....something about the sight of a palm tree just makes you insane huh -