Originally posted by Puke
So this was typical in Italy?
Yes, almost typical (with the exception of the powerfull people and the "cooperators" )
So what lead to those ugly events? Chamberlain was wrong and is still wrong.
We have imagined it. And okay, so Europe has been through bombings...do you get a medal or a dunce-cap? Unlike the world of the 30's, we will do something to ensure it doesn't get to this point. Make no mistake, we are at war via proxy. Al Quaida has publicly stated it is at war with us. By our pretending they are not a threat does not make them go away. Many of the fundamentalists are willing to die to bring ruin to the "West" with the USA their prime target. This threat actually includes Europe in the crosshairs. And don't think Saddam wouldn't like to see the West fall, but he knows better than to do it overtly when he can arm and train a few thousand fanaticals. It's time for Europe to wake up. But I can see we are alone in this, Europe would rather put its head in the sand and remind itself of the horrors a madman can bring about and gamble that when it raises its head again that all is safe.
You are going away, sign that you missed the point, or just needed to follow your rail.
My point wasn't a tit-for-tat about who suffered most, but more about we still have deep wounds here in the USA and that I think Europeans really do not realize this...memories that are very much real and impact our families to this day.
It's not a tit-for tat (nice expression, never heard before

), my point was to let you understand the main difference not in quantity, but in quality of the sufferings.
The difference is in the fact that one thing is that your dad leave for war and did'nt come back, and you miss him a lot, or he come back with ugly memories, but you, your mother, your sister, your little brother, stay home with all the conforts, while your father fight the war.
A whole different matter is a war that it's there, out of your door, the bullets enter in your windows, you hide under a table screaming for fear while the world around get crazy and you are 5 years old!
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So your point about how badly Europe was bombed in WW2 is for or against removing Saddam from power? War is being mobilzed against us, it's a matter of time now.[/quote]
Oh my God, it's so difficult for an American today to focalyze on a question without throwing in the fediddleing Saddam and OBL??
If you for a moment just listen, i bet you will see the point.
(I really shouldn't read the O-club at 1 a.m. before going to bed...where's the Disney forum?)
That's a bit different than a concrete reminder, because you are talking about the same thing I'm talking about...that the actual DEATHS that occur in a family from the war have a longer lasting effect than a concrete bunker...
It's out of discussion that every single country had this experience of relatives leaving home to fight a war, and lot of them never come back, or come back changed forever.
The example you are posting are good reminders, but not of the same type.
All the reminders US have, even in the pain of their families, are related to a war fought
THERE, with the survivors returned
HOMEIn Europe
THERE was
HOMEOur parents HOUSE was the frigging BATTLEFIELD!!!
And, please, the point is not who is guilty, or if we have to do the same on Iraq.