Finally... a democrat steps up

[Sandman]

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/02/13/anti.war.lawsuit.ap/index.html

[john9001]

your honour, when i joined the army , i had no idea that one day i might actualy have to go to war. so like a true american i'm going to sue.

[Dowding]

Nice red herring, John. Either that or you can't read. That's not their point at all - they are objecting to deviation from your constitution. Last time I heard, that was quite important to true Americans.

I'm for one sick of the lack of a declaration of war when our armed forces are in action. If, before any hostilities, Parliament had to ratify a proposal of war, people might take things a little more seriously. As it is we have had RAF crews getting shot at all the time over Iraq and no one gives a damn.

[GRUNHERZ]

So some whacko leftist Democrat Congressmen were against the first gulf war, and now some more are against the second. In the mean time  we have Democrat congressmen going to Baghdad and having tea and making propaganda with Saddam - who's side are the democrats on again? They really seem to go for broke when their buddy hussein is threatened by the evil USA.  

Imagine 54 of these Democrats wanted to stop the fitst Gulf war after iraq openly invaded and conquered a significant US oil source and threatened to do so to another even bigger one.

After such acts why should anyone care what they say now?

[takeda]

Go Hawaii!!
Go Maine!!

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/02/13/sprj.irq.lawmakers.protest.ap/


Detuschland vorwarts fur Frieden!
Allez la France pour la Paix!

Abajo Aznar, lameculos del Emperador sin Sesos!

[Sandman]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
So some whacko leftist Democrat Congressmen were against the first gulf war, and now some more are against the second. In the mean time  we have Democrat congressmen going to Baghdad and having tea and making propaganda with Saddam - who's side are the democrats on again?

I think they're on the same side as the Constitution.

[mjolnir]

Originally posted by takeda
Go Hawaii!!
Go Maine!!

I've never been so embarrassed...

[cars]

very embarrassed

[StSanta]

State Rep. Tom Watson, a Democrat from Maine, spoke about his experience in Vietnam: "No matter how surgically a war is fought ... war is still a bloody, brutal business that must be avoided at all costs."

When I was 15, I heard a song by a prominent Swedish artist. He sung 'is it really peace that we want - at any cost?'. It wasn't about US aggression or somesuch, but up to that date I had always thought that peace always was preferrable to war.

Now this state representative is saying war...must be avoided at all costs. Since I've studied comp. sci. I am a little sensitive to syntax and semantics. His statement would, by my mind compiler, compile this statement:

If Iraqi  dictator Saddam Hussein came over here and raped, tortured and murdered my daughters and son, and the same for my wife, and then killed ever other American before finally forcing me to have oral sex with him, I would still think appeasing him and peace would be the best alternative for the American people'.

An objectionable little piece of text, and I understand that some puritans will have issues with me mentioning sex and rape in it. But, semantically, it would be in compliance with that representatives stance.

War should not be avoided at all costs. Avoided, yes, but sometimes, a period of war followed by real peace is preferrable to a peace of opression, torture and death.

[Tumor]

Cowards and disgruntled Democreeps... nothing more.

[ra]

That's not their point at all - they are objecting to deviation from your constitution. Last time I heard, that was quite important to true Americans.

Military action doesn't require a declaration of war.  Congress can authorize military action, and the War Powers Act gives the president some autonomy in certain circumstances.  The last time the US declared war was WWII.  

And Conyers is an 'ex' communist, so his interpretation of the Constitution is meaningless, as he once sought to throw it out.  He is not a 'true American'.

ra

[Toad]

I'd love to see a Congressional vote on this, as soon as possible.

It isn't like they haven't seen the conflict coming down the road for a long time. No need for a long debate.

Let's just have them vote now.

If a Declaration passes, that alone will clear the air in both Iraq and the UN.

If it fails, the Representatives of the people have spoken. Their wisdom will be revealed most likely before the next elections and adjustments can be made accordingly.

[Turdboy]

If you think this has ANYTHING to do with the constitution then you are sadly naive.

It's disgraceful to see people who volunteer for service sue to get out of their duty. They knew BEFORE they signed up that there is always a chance they will have to fight but these losers want to get all they can out of our military without fulfilling their obligation to it.


The Democrats are doing what they always do....lie..cheat .....manipulate to get their way.

[ra]

The Democrats are doing what they always do....lie..cheat .....manipulate to get their way.

...and sue.

BTW, this same kind of thing happened during Gulf War I.

ra

[bounder]

Originally posted by StSanta

War should not be avoided at all costs. Avoided, yes, but sometimes, a period of war followed by real peace is preferrable to a peace of opression, torture and death. [/B]

It's a nonsensical statement anyway.

If it must be avoided at all costs, then it must be avoided even if it means war. In which case it won't have been avoided.

So it means (by popular usage) War must be avoided at all costs, except .

Which is obvious really.  And both sides can play, the costs are just different.

Which leaves those who believe war should not be avoided at all costs except

see?