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« Reply #45 on: February 15, 2003, 04:20:47 PM »
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I hear a million opponents of Saddam were protesting, in their unmarked graves also  :(


Oh come on, theres whole lot of human right issues to deal in africa and south america..

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« Reply #46 on: February 15, 2003, 04:26:41 PM »
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I realised how misguided the marchers were when, passing the news stands this morning, I saw the Daily Mirror with a picture of a very ill Iraqi boy on the front page. The mirror claimed that this boy was one reason not to go to war with Iraq. And I could not help thinking that Saddam has killed thousands like him - by starvation - by the way he has dealt with sanctions imposed against him because of his own bellicose behaviour.

The demonstrators/marchers have a very limited field of view. The last anti-military demonstration of this kind that I remember was that of the "Peace Wimmin" who demonstrated outside the airbase at USAF Greenham Common in the mid 1980s against Cruise Missile deployment. They wanted Britain to scrap all nuclear weapons - in the HOPE that Russia would do the same!!! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: That's like advising people not to lock their doors at night, in the HOPE that burglars will turn over a new leaf... :confused:

The demonstrators/marchers are well meaning people - just like the Greenham Common Peace Wimmin, but do not have a complete grasp of the situation. I believe that more Iraqi lives will be saved if action is taken against Saddam, than would be lost if he retains power. That is my belief. The job should have been finished the first time, but the Unilateral Nannies put a stop to it.

Now the only embarrassing thing is that it would be nice if we had more data linking Saddam to al qaeda. But we have to look back in history to Libya/Gaddaffi. He openly voiced his disdain for the west, and his support for terror. He was dealt with in 1986. People say that Saddam poses no threat to the USA or the rest of the world. To that, I add my considered one word reply: BOLLOCKS. Just because Saddam is not in a position to launch an offensive against the US/western world does not mean that he is not sympathetic to that cause. I believe he would sell his weapons, so far "unaccounted for" to anti-US terror groups. And make no mistake: If they are anti US, they are likely anti the rest of the western world.

So Krusher - welcome to the west. I have met Iraqis who echoed your views entirely. Just now on British TV, I saw one young Iraqi woman (pro-war) arguing the point with our own lefty pacifist banana, Tony Benn, who was totally unprepared.

No-one *likes* war. No-one *likes* the dentist's drill. And we take precautions to avoid it. On occasion, things don't go as we had hoped, and a tooth needs attention. The dentist's drill is far more preferable to the decay and agonising toothache that would otherwise follow. (Sorry, my analogy bin is running low)



Ahoi beetle,

it's the embargo that causes iraque children to die.

Weapons, high technology parts ok but to cause a famine was a crime just like bombin german cities to eternity in WW2.

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« Reply #47 on: February 15, 2003, 04:31:22 PM »
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When Collin Powell held his speech at UN he used (among others) a brit paper which was later uncovered to be copied from a 10year old work of a britich studend.


I've heard this several times now. Have not seen it verified. Please do show me a link to this story.. I'd very much like to see what british student is providing 10 year old background material the CIA and State dept considers appropriate to present to the UN as evidence concerning the present state of Iraqi WMD development, the current recent presence of AQ operatives in baghdad, the current existence of an AQ camp in NE iraq, etc. Does this brit student have access to last months sattelite imagry, back in 1992? Did this Brit student brief the State Dept on current Iraq/AQ/Hammas connections?

Dammit.. I'm nauseated by how fast folks like you are to run out in the streets with your hair on fire to oppose the US.. but just what in hell is it REALLY your basing this decision upon??

I suspect that you and your friends are just parroting your yellow press and not checking for yourselves the veracity of the information you parrot! What source is your newspaper quoting!!!???

Show me data! Show me links to this 'proof' that powell is full of toejam!
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« Reply #48 on: February 15, 2003, 04:40:18 PM »
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was a crime just like bombin german cities to eternity in WW2.


Ah. The crux, isin't it.. be honest. The reason your presence in the anti-us demonstration is to pay us back for dresden?

*ding*

Dresden was the price paid for your nation starting that damn war, Blitz. We ain't fighting WWII anymore.. why are you? You sicken me.. it's ok to bash the average american for pointing at the 'ungrateful treacherous french'..  but you waste not a moment to point at the american bombing of europe as the crime of the century. Clue, Blitz.. yer nation earned every diddlyin bomb dropped on it.
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« Reply #49 on: February 15, 2003, 04:45:13 PM »
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Oh come on, theres whole lot of human right issues to deal in africa and south america..


So it's best we do nothing about any of them? Don't start on any one of them unless we can "fix" them all at the same time?

Well, we could all wring our hands and say "tsk, tsk" and stuff like that, I guess.
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« Reply #50 on: February 15, 2003, 04:50:36 PM »
whoa guys, the text I posted below the LINK was of an Iraqi Doctor not myself.. sorry for the misunderstanding.

check out the link for the full text..

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« Reply #51 on: February 15, 2003, 04:51:34 PM »
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I've heard this several times now. Have not seen it verified. Please do show me a link to this story.. I'd very much like to see what british student is providing 10 year old background material the CIA and State dept considers appropriate to present to the UN as evidence concerning the present state of Iraqi WMD development, the current recent presence of AQ operatives in baghdad, the current existence of an AQ camp in NE iraq, etc. Does this brit student have access to last months sattelite imagry, back in 1992? Did this Brit student brief the State Dept on current Iraq/AQ/Hammas connections?

Dammit.. I'm nauseated by how fast folks like you are to run out in the streets with your hair on fire to oppose the US.. but just what in hell is it REALLY your basing this decision upon??

I suspect that you and your friends are just parroting your yellow press and not checking for yourselves the veracity of the information you parrot! What source is your newspaper quoting!!!???


Ahoi hang,

no need to get personal.

do your search alone it's http://www.tagesspiegel.de/

and that's a soft conservative paper, readin it for 20 years now.

No yellow press readin here , belivin them is like belivin these cia peeps.

Regards Blitz

Show me data! Show me links to this 'proof' that powell is full of toejam!

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« Reply #52 on: February 15, 2003, 04:52:26 PM »
Krusher is not Iraqi. He lifted that from the link he posted.
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« Reply #53 on: February 15, 2003, 04:55:59 PM »
I cannot read german. please post a link to the story, not the newspaper itself. I can have the story translated.

Thanks.
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« Reply #54 on: February 15, 2003, 04:57:42 PM »
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Heck, looks to me like you really love to see the military in action,sittin in front of ya tv, watchin CNN real videos .
Ever thought about young american guys gona die there?
Might only a few hundreds of them to die too with a lot of iraqis but i hate to gonna see a single american boy die there at all for a bad thing.

Regards Blitz


They way I see it, better a few hundred young military men who voluntered and go forward willingly with enthusiasm than 10,000 innocent men women children grandfathers grandmothers aunts and uncles scared to death  dying agonizing inhuman deaths to gases or biological agents spread by fanatical muslim extremists bent on punishing the evil US of A.

Ask a US postal worker how they feel? Anthrax is a bad way to go. How is nerve gas I wonder.

If you think Saddam would sell his stores to radicals your nuts. He would/will/has given them away freely and probably paid the shipping charges.

I think everyone should have the right to protest and demonstrate, but these people are just showing there ignorance of the issues.

Yes! NO MORE WAR! In a perfect world...of which we are in short supply.

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« Reply #55 on: February 15, 2003, 04:59:33 PM »
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Ah. The crux, isin't it.. be honest. The reason your presence in the anti-us demonstration is to pay us back for dresden?

*ding*

Dresden was the price paid for your nation starting that damn war, Blitz. We ain't fighting WWII anymore.. why are you? You sicken me.. it's ok to bash the average american for pointing at the 'ungrateful treacherous french'..  but you waste not a moment to point at the american bombing of europe as the crime of the century. Clue, Blitz.. yer nation earned every diddlyin bomb dropped on it.


Ahoi hang,

wasn't the crime of the century , was just a warcrime like shootin german pilots that bailed out but that were at least soldiers....

Hell, Nazi germany started that crap on coventry, london, warschau and many others but its nethertheless a warcrime, and ya know that very well.

Regards Blitz

USA is threathened by Iraq in no way.

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« Reply #56 on: February 15, 2003, 05:01:03 PM »
Hangtime, you remember that dossier on Iraq the British government posted a couple of months ago that supposedly was eye-opening and cutting and a reason why Saddam should be tackled? It was lifted from a thesis by some American-Iraqi student, typos and all.

BBC story

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« Reply #57 on: February 15, 2003, 05:02:07 PM »
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I cannot read german. please post a link to the story, not the newspaper itself. I can have the story translated.

Thanks.


Ok, ill try to find that. but give me time till tommorrow, plse.

Thx blitz

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« Reply #58 on: February 15, 2003, 05:08:14 PM »
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Hangtime, you remember that dossier on Iraq the British government posted a couple of months ago that supposedly was eye-opening and cutting and a reason why Saddam should be tackled? It was lifted from a thesis by some American-Iraqi student, typos and all.

BBC story

Detailed comparison



Thx dowding.
Hate that full text search on  german newspapers with bad searchin engine :)

Regards

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See you on next demonstration now hang?

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« Reply #59 on: February 15, 2003, 05:20:05 PM »
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USA is threathened by Iraq in no way.


Here we go again..

Since you refuse to show me your evidence; here's mine. Refute it!

Salient points only, from Powells address Feb 5

AND READ IT FER CRISSAKES!

Zarqawi, a Palestinian born in Jordan, fought in the Afghan war more than a decade ago. Returning to Afghanistan in 2000, he oversaw a terrorist training camp. One of his specialities and one of the specialties of this camp is poisons. When our coalition ousted the Taliban, the Zarqaqi network helped establish another poison and explosive training center camp. And this camp is located in northeastern Iraq.

(Picture of camp shown.)

The network is teaching its operatives how to produce ricin and other poisons. Let me remind you how ricin works. Less than a pinch — image a pinch of salt — less than a pinch of ricin, eating just this amount in your food, would cause shock followed by circulatory failure. Death comes within 72 hours and there is no antidote, there is no cure. It is fatal.

Those helping to run this camp are Zarqawi lieutenants operating in northern Kurdish areas outside Saddam Hussein's controlled Iraq. But Baghdad has an agent in the most senior levels of the radical organization, Ansar al-Islam, that controls this corner of Iraq. In 2000 this agent offered al Qaeda safe haven in the region. After we swept al Qaeda from Afghanistan, some of its members accepted this safe haven. They remain there today.

Zarqawi's activities are not confined to this small corner of north east Iraq. He traveled to Baghdad in May 2002 for medical treatment, staying in the capital of Iraq for two months while he recuperated to fight another day.

During this stay, nearly two dozen extremists converged on Baghdad and established a base of operations there. These Al Qaeda affiliates, based in Baghdad, now coordinate the movement of people, money and supplies into and throughout Iraq for his network, and they've now been operating freely in the capital for more than eight months.

Iraqi officials deny accusations of ties with al Qaeda. These denials are simply not credible. Last year an al Qaeda associate bragged that the situation in Iraq was, quote, "good," that Baghdad could be transited quickly.


What Brit student produced this information?? Dammit Blitz.. did you ever read the transcript or see the address.. what in the transcript above don't you get?

Ok.. as to WMD, and what Saddam is doing with it RIGHT NOW>> :

How do I know that? How can I say that? Let me give you a closer look. Look at the image on the left. On the left is a close- up of one of the four chemical bunkers. The two arrows indicate the presence of sure signs that the bunkers are storing chemical munitions. The arrow at the top that says security points to a facility that is the signature item for this kind of bunker. Inside that facility are special guards and special equipment to monitor any leakage that might come out of the bunker.

(shows sattelite imagry to UN Council)

The truck you also see is a signature item. It's a decontamination vehicle in case something goes wrong.

This is characteristic of those four bunkers. The special security facility and the decontamination vehicle will be in the area, if not at any one of them or one of the other, it is moving around those four, and it moves as it needed to move, as people are working in the different bunkers.

Now look at the picture on the right. You are now looking at two of those sanitized bunkers. The signature vehicles are gone, the tents are gone, it's been cleaned up, and it was done on the 22nd of December, as the U.N. inspection team is arriving, and you can see the inspection vehicles arriving in the lower portion of the picture on the right.

The bunkers are clean when the inspectors get there. They found nothing.


Saddam's got 'em, he's hiding them.. and despite the fact we ain't on the metric system 2 + 2 still equals 4 in the USA.. He's got WMD, and he's got terrorists connections. He's a gawddamned threat of the highest order to this nation!!

STOP TELLIN ME HE'S NO THREAT TO THE USA UNLESS YOU CAN POST PROOF THAT REFUTES WHATS PAINFULLY OBVIOUS!!

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