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Offline ASASIN

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« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2003, 12:17:36 AM »
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« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2003, 03:31:32 AM »
Yeah, I'm the only one to complain about the HQ and dar:rolleyes:

P.S. Don't turn this into a flamefest, there are rules here:p
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« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2003, 05:16:44 PM »
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« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2003, 09:03:20 PM »
I would have to say put me in the 'agree' column on this one.
I assume the 163 was partially inserted to prevent the lone high altitude bomber from knocking out HQ and therefore also assume they would want to remedy this 'loophole'.
Fewer goons, multiple HQs or possibly shorter rebuild, if even possible to do, would be alternatives.
Maybe just keep dar bar on. Making another assumption, during a war even if a sides radar was knocked out there would be reports coming in via other means that enemies were in a certain area.
Hey... was that an actual idea I just had??
Well.. maybe a minicogitation.

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« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2003, 07:46:45 AM »
I'm stumped, I'll have to look that one up:D
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« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2003, 08:23:50 AM »
Fuze, actually we already have that early warning to some extent even without radar.  Many is the time you read warnings on the buffer. 'Help A1 under attack' or 'Mission just upped from A1 on way to A2' That kind of thing. Radar or not. We are not completely blinded when the radar is down. In real war particularly now days jamming and attacking radar is par for the course. Look at Iraq these days every time the switch on a radar they recieve an ARM down the pipe. In WW2 jammer and chaff were used extensively too late in the war.

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« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2003, 01:13:45 PM »
Like it takes a lot to down a Lanc formation....I've been getting maced by Dora's in one pass...all 3 buffs go boom....

Seems like....looks like...feels like...a whine

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« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2003, 02:44:09 PM »
OK, how about the ability to raise or have set birage baloons around HQ, strategic targets or zone control bases to 'hinder' their attacks. You could have the gun emplacements have a secondary weapon, the birage baloon. Fire it and it goes up and you also have a limited supply of them.

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« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2003, 04:30:51 PM »
Plain fact is, if someone wants to spend the time they can take dar down for the whole team. All I'm saying is make it so one lanc formation can't do it, or if one lanc formation can instantly bring it down, make it so three goons can bring it right back up. Good for the goose, good for the gander.
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« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2003, 05:21:23 PM »
Further on the dam busters:

There is a book out that follows the development of not only the skipping bomb but the other weapons that Barnes Wallace (designer of the skipping bomb) invented.  He invented the grandslam bombs that the lancs used to bust U boat pens and underground bunkers.  I think it was called "The Dam Busters" but can't remember the author.  It is a very good read.

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« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2003, 10:04:52 PM »
Since some are mentioning historical background to support their point of view...

Well it had a reason why they didn't repeat the Dambuster thing too frequently. It was a highly risk operation for very little effect as it seemed at the time since the german economy prooved to keep on running steadily even under the hardest circum stances. Like the constant bombardment of england by the germans in the Blitz seemed to couldn't remotely stop the british war efforts, too. Airpower just hadn't the same importance and effect back then like it has today (on the cost of a very expensive developed air force as you can see in the todays USAF, doubtful if the millions and billions of dollars justify the means...), so it is actually a flaw of this game that we can even capture fields... Anybody who have read Stephen E. Ambrose's and/or seen the movie/mini-series of Band of Brothers sure knows that a single goon (which actually could carry up to 28 paratroopers) is nothing more than a good laugh for the defending ground forces (operation market garden: 10,000 airbourne british forces went for Arnheim but only 2,000 returned). But it would be boring to let the GI Joes' do all the job and just circle above them and watch, wouldn't it?

Back then they didn't even needed radars to get some reconnaisance information about enemy air action to the boys flying arround. While fighting against the germans desperately in the early days of the war in greece the british had no working radar system in the region. They held up by another simple method: several people were sitting and watching the sky all over greece, every one of them equipped with a phone and noted down with a number as designation and exact position on a map in the HQ. Now if one of them saw enemy actions in the sky they phoned the HQ said their designation and what they saw (type and number of enemy aircraft, in case of clouds prohibiting visual they just reported "very loud engine noise" or "some engine noise") and in which direction it was heading. The fellows in the HQ took a look on the map to locate the "station" of the report and noted down the time. By simple calculations of how long it took for two watching posts to sight the same bomber formation and knowing the usual cruising speed of the german bombers they were sometimes even able to give some information about the  estimated altitude of the enemy. That was the early warning system for the british forces over greece and creta. They also used a similar system during the BoB to get information about the enemy types of aircrafts, number and altitude (they had some complicated optical equipment working on a triangular basis) to the HQ, some days it worked also well as backup system for the constantly bombed radar stations. Now imagine yourselfs being either too young, old or the wrong gender to fight in the war, though determined to help sitting arround watching the sky 24/7 just to make a phone call of a couple of minutes once in a while and occasionally getting a very short "thanks" as reply. Yeah, most heros of the war never got the proper attention...

However all these nice radar systems ain't helping if the HQ where the radar reports of all over one region ran together to get transmitted to the pilots gets knocked out. So it may not be historical that all the radar for the whole map gets knocked out by one bomb, but if your only inflight source (HQ) for getting relayed radar information disappears it have the same effect for you as simple pilot at least. Back then in reality they had a lot longer to wait for some temporary formed HQ to take over this job than the rebuild takes in AH. Anyways historically they hadn't these precise highlighted in red icon colour symbols on the map giving away the exact location of the enemy HQ (which of course was classified information in most regions except maybe in London and Berlin ;) ) which was relaying all these vital radar information to the boys inflight. I think the british HQ for the radar information and Fighter movements (Uhm not sure if it was located in whitehall but I think so...) was hit once during the BoB and didn't got many fatalaties but just one heck of a shake-up as you can see in the movie. Of course a bit after the start of the blitz they had started using these balloons towed with steel cables to the earth and with a lot of explosives hanging under them blowing away any low altitude assault over London... Like some englishs were joking: If all these hundreds of balloons over London would have gone it would have seemed it was most likely for the city to sink in the sea. ;)

So as you might see you can find examples in history to support both sides of this discussion...

My 0.02 Euro on historical background as far as I can remember...
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