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Offline Replicant

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« on: February 20, 2003, 05:51:31 AM »
What's everyones thoughts on Chirac allowing Mugabe (Zimbabwe) to enter France and be entertained?  (FYI the EU had banned Mugabe from visiting any EU country and also travelling on any domestic air flights).
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« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2003, 06:52:20 AM »
Mugabe was invited because the other "president" (aka dicatator) of Africa wanted him to be here.

Frankly it will give a Pinochet's like scandal...

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« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2003, 07:08:26 AM »
The French are idiots. First they coddle Saddam from making his UN disarmament obligations now they allow Robert Mugabe who is murdering thousands of ethnic-european minorities in Zimbabwe to go to france and screw Chirac's cheap potato of a mother. Thats uncalled for!!!

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« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2003, 07:17:46 AM »
Next planned move is to rent a castle for milosevic.

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« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2003, 07:40:39 AM »
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Next planned move is to rent a castle for milosevic.


Wouldnt doubt it...

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« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2003, 07:41:43 AM »
I haven't really been following why Mugabe was invited although I am aware of his attrocities in Zimbabwe.  I think it's the last thing the French people want at this time, only bad publicity will come out of this meeting :(
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« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2003, 07:53:57 AM »
Why shouldn't be Mugabe be invited ?

Just look at the CV of the other "presidents" ...

Perhaps some find it shocking because he killed white people ?

I bet that if the brit can recieve Pinochet without problem we can do the same with Mugabe ...

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« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2003, 08:00:00 AM »
I received this from a South African supplier yesterday. It is a bit of perspective from a Zimbabwean person. It is a bit long but an interesting read. AT the end she talks about France indirectly.

Dear Family and Friends,

I, along with 11 million others living in Zimbabwe, was desperately searching for either food or petrol. There was none of the latter so I spent my Friday morning trudging from shop to shop and after three hours gratefully clutched 2 loaves of bread I had finally tracked down for 4 times the official price. I know I should not buy food on the black market but principles pale into insignificance when you have a hungry child to feed.

This is the face of life in Zimbabwe today and yet the English Cricket Board are still debating whether or not it is right to come and play cricket here and are worrying about who will pay them compensation if they don't come!

I wonder if the ICC know that it is illegal for 5 or more people to hold a meeting in Zimbabwe without police permission? I wonder if they care that, while they stay in our 5 star hotels, we can't even buy food on the black market without first producing cards proving we support the ruling party. I am sure that both the ICC and the cricket players themselves know all of this but they say they are purely a sporting body and not a political one.

Strange then how it was OK for them to boycott sport under the former government in South Africa and during Ian Smith's Rhodesia but not in Zimbabwe now. White people oppressing blacks was unacceptable but now that it is black people oppressing black people, it is apparently OK. The ICC have shown who the real racists are here. Their hypocrisy and racism is disgusting and nauseating.

The South African Minister of Labour visited Zimbabwe very recently and declared that South Africa had a lot to learn from us. If I was a South African I'd either be picketing parliament right now or packing my bags.

We have: 144% inflation; 70% unemployment; Zimbabwe has completely run out of petrol so if one hears of any to be had (probably unpaid for from SA) 5 kilometre queues form and there is no bread, milk, maize, sugar, flour or cooking oil to buy. One dozen eggs cost R66.00 and 4 loo rolls cost R70 now. 6.8 million Zimbabweans are facing starvation, 2 million of our citizens have been forced to leave the country, one person dies every 5 minutes from aids related malnutrition, inflation is at 175% and yet the world is in an uproar about 6 cricket matches. Cricket doesn't really seem appropriate now does it?

The Zimbabwean 'State House' is next door to the grounds where the World Cup Cricket matches are to be played. One of my friends was on his way to the cricket grounds, took a wrong turn and did a U turn near 'State House'. His car was surrounded by armed men, everything was pulled out of his car, he was interrogated, taken behind a wall where he was knocked down and kicked in his head. 5hrs later he got home exhausted in shock and his ear drum had ruptured. Apparently, this is Zimbabwean democracy at work.

I finally tracked down some very expensive vegetable seeds in a butchery but my shock at their price was overshadowed by the sight in front of me. Sitting in a supermarket trolley was a cow's head - eyes, ears, horns and fur intact. I made a point of expressing my disgust to the owner of the shop who simply shrugged his shoulders.

Zimbabwe has slipped into a contagious epidemic of moral decline where no one cares, no one complains and everyone 'just shrugs their shoulders'.

There's no gas which means there are month long backlogs of bodies waiting to be cremated at the morgues where gas fired ovens are used. The chronic shortage of fuel means that there are very few delivery vehicles. The supermarket shelves are getting emptier by the day. In our small town this month our only commercial veterinary surgery closes down, our only private dentist has closed, two of our private doctors have announced that they are leaving, one headmaster has already left and another leaves before winter. A 100 year old town is on its very last legs.

I thank you for helping me spread the word about my two books: 'African Tears' and 'Beyond Tears', which are both still the only eye witness accounts to have been written about Zimbabwe's horrors since 2000. I hope I am able to send this letter now and that you are able to receive it because Zimbabwe's entire e-mail system collapsed this week.

With love,

Cathy.  

PS - It is really incredibly ironic how these incompetent, corrupt, stupid African officials are treated with such diplomatic sophistication by the first world politicians. Well, we should realise that the European politician has a very tricky game to play. First you give Africa money and your pious smile is displayed all over the media. Then you sell the Africans your old weapon stocks and you keep your arms industry going.

 But in South Africa, with the only viable economy on the continent, you can bribe corrupt third world government officials to spend billions of taxpayers money on useless junk from your arms factories.

But obviously this can only go on until black economic empowerment is legislatively enforced. The fountain will  dissapear in the drought of African incompetence and corruption.

 


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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2003, 08:01:11 AM »
For those of you too lazy to read that previous post in a nutshell France are bananas for even entertaining the thought of having Mugabe visit.

But that is nothing new is it Straffo?

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« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2003, 08:03:18 AM »
South Africa is an exemple of neutrality and non-interference for the world.

Please let stop your crusade Habu and start to be rational.


I don't know if it's true or not but a Nigerian friend of mine said that his country and South Africa were lobbying for a come-back of Zimbabwe in commonwealth.
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« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2003, 08:13:22 AM »
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South Africa is an exemple of neutrality and non-interference for the world.

Please let stop your crusade Habu and start to be rational.


I have no idea what you are talking about. I do major business with South Africa and even lived there. I know it is the one hope for Africa but it is sadly going down hill.

The letter that I posted was written by a Zimbabwean who is exasperated to the point of tears by the decline that has happened in the past 5 years.

And you government rewards Mugabe by inviteing him to Paris despite the EU travel ban.

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« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2003, 08:16:29 AM »
Straffo you are being an ignorant diddly...  Did you even read Habu's big post?

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« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2003, 08:30:08 AM »
what the diddly do you ignorant morons expect straffo to do.....do you actually think he can stop Mugabe coming to France all by himself.....wake up putz...smell the flowers.


Pinochet went to England..did any of you squeak about it....NO

After the WW2....you guys accepted Von Braun into the States.....but alas it didn't matter if his work force where all JEWS!!!...just as long as he can build diddlyin rockets.....


before you squeak about someones backyard...CHECK YOUR OWN MORONS

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« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2003, 08:38:01 AM »
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Originally posted by SLO
what the diddly do you ignorant morons expect straffo to do.....do you actually think he can stop Mugabe coming to France all by himself.....wake up putz...smell the flowers.


Pinochet went to England..did any of you squeak about it....NO

After the WW2....you guys accepted Von Braun into the States.....but alas it didn't matter if his work force where all JEWS!!!...just as long as he can build diddlyin rockets.....


before you squeak about someones backyard...CHECK YOUR OWN MORONS


Man are you stupid.

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« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2003, 08:39:39 AM »
nice answer habu......

No i'm not stupid....

why...

are you?