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Offline JBA

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« on: February 20, 2003, 02:23:27 PM »
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In a fit of pique more fitting of an adolescent than a head of state, Chirac lambasted the Eastern European nations that signed a letter siding with the U.S. on Iraq, saying they had "missed a great opportunity to shut up."

He even suggested they might be blocked from joining the EU because they're refusing to toe the Franco-German line of appeasement. But if Chirac guessed the Eastern European nations, long silenced under the iron fist of Soviet control, would be cowed by his Gallic bluster, he was wrong.

"We are not joining the EU so we can sit and shut up," Czech Foreign Minister Cyril Svoboda responded to Chirac.

Romanian President Ion Iliescu replied even more tartly: "Such reproaches are totally unjustified, unwise and undemocratic."

They're not alone. Political leaders in many of the 13 countries waiting to join the EU support the U.S. in the Iraq dispute. And they're letting Mons. Chirac know.

Which really gets to the heart of the matter - who'll control the new Europe? France and Germany, humiliated by America's role as the sole remaining superpower, have tried to use the EU to expand their influence beyond their own meager powers.

France, in particular, wants to have it both ways - accusing the U.S. of "l'unilateralisme" and of being a "cowboy," while pursuing its own brand of unilateralism in the EU - trying to forge a nondemocratic socialist superstate based on Franco-German control.

If anything, those heavy-handed attempts at coercing smaller, would-be EU members to go along with their anti-Americanism have won France and Germany little but resentment.

It's pretty clear the new nations on Europe's fringes aren't keen to be pliant members of a stagnant, America-hating bureaucracy.

For them, democracy is a new adventure. They want economic growth and freedom - not the stagnation the French and German models provide. And nations like Romania, the Czech Republic and Hungary gratefully recall U.S. support in their struggle against the Soviets. They want the new Europe to have close ties with the U.S.

Sadly, the same can't be said of France and Germany, the "old Europe," as Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld called them. They've taken great pains to confound U.S. efforts to dismantle Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. In doing so, both nations are guilty of blatant hypocrisy - pursuing lucrative commercial ties with Iraq, while hinting the U.S.' real obsession is oil.

Chirac and Germany's Gerhard Schroeder will reap what they sow. The EU's periphery - Eastern Europe, Italy, Spain, the U.K., Denmark and others - don't share their mistrust of America. Sixteen European nations support the U.S. on Iraq. Just three don't.

If war comes, the real loser won't be Iraq. It'll be France and Germany. Their hope of a subservient Europe of weak satellite states dancing to their tune is dead. They're isolated in the middle.
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« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2003, 02:52:02 PM »
The guy who will post this message for 10th time will have a ....sweety.

I'm so nice ... don't thank me :p
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« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2003, 07:32:42 AM »
Very interesting JBA. Seems France is loseing friends all over europe too and not just in the US.

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« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2003, 07:56:37 AM »
sweety not awarded ... you're too late ...

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« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2003, 08:00:56 AM »
straffo...if you dont have anything to say...why not just shut up?Why do you have to post something in every thread about France?

Cant you just accept the fact and move on or something? I mean its not as if you are proving people wrong, or critizising the sources, or convincing people that France is a really nice country...

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« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2003, 08:06:11 AM »
I'm still translating you long post full of valuable information.

Thanks for your inestimable contribution to this thread.







4 minutes delay before jumping on me again ?
You are running slow today  ... just have another coffee

But after the WE I guess you'll be faster as you will be more fresh.

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« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2003, 08:12:57 AM »
each time you post straffo you prove people right....


your country sucks....

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« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2003, 08:14:57 AM »
David Letterman:
"France wants more evidence [of Iraqi violations]. The last time France wanted more evidence, it rolled right through France with a German flag."

Dennis Miller:
"The only way the French are going in is if we tell them we found truffles in Iraq."

Jay Leno:
"I don't know why people are surprised that France won't help us get Saddam out of Iraq. After all, France wouldn't help us get the Germans out of France!"

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« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2003, 08:18:00 AM »
Don't worry Straffo, some of us still think you're one cool French guy. ;)
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« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2003, 08:27:16 AM »
C'est bien mon petit tu poste comme si j'en avais quelque chose à faire de ton opinion.

Tu n'imagine même pas à quel point je m'en moque...il se trouve que j'ai plein de temps libre en ce moment...

Un défenseur de le barbarie nazie n'a pas plus de valeur pour moi qu'une merde sur un trottoir.

Mon pays en peut-être a chier mais il se trouve que c'est le mien et je le défend contre certains incultes réactionnaire d'Europe ou des Etats-Unis.

De plus  voyant le rationalisme appliqué d'un soi-disant petit juge suedois qui est incapable de suivre un raisonement scientifique rationnel et éprouvé je vois pas pourquoi je prendrais la peine de poster en Anglais.
Je ne prend pas la peine de poster le lien tu dois te souvenir de ce post.

Ce qui me conforte dans mon opinion c'est le soutien que j'ai eu dans la MA et par courrier de personnes qui ne s'expriment pas ici.

Débrouille toi pour le faire traduire ce message.


@Udie : don't forget your genes :D
« Last Edit: February 21, 2003, 08:43:19 AM by straffo »

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« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2003, 08:41:54 AM »
hmm....tres bien dit straffo.


there you are again hortland...making your witty jokes(posts) AGAIN on France.

then you ask what straffo is doin here.


hmm just to help you with his last post....

he says that he pretty much doesn't give a watermelon about your opinion anymore....he gots lots of e-mail from friends in the MA supportin em.....

hope this helps in your translation:D

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« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2003, 08:52:05 AM »
now for me to squeak at my cousin across the ocean......


La France commence a me tomber sur le nerfs mon straffo.....de plus en plus Chirac s'emmerde plus profondement dans ca propre merde....j'ai ecouter un documentaire hier soir....sur les raisons de la retissance de la France sur l'Iraq

je n'est pas aime ce que j'ai vue....mes du tous

excuse mon ecriture mon amie....mes je suis aller a l'ecole anglaise...soi patient avec moi:D

ces un chose de proteger ces interets(oil)...compagnie(ELF)....ces une autre vouloir controler L'Europe....Chirac et sur la corde raide....il va devoir s'excuser au plus petit pays qu'ils a abuser

bonne journee mon ami :cool:

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« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2003, 09:02:31 AM »
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Originally posted by Hortlund
straffo...if you dont have anything to say...why not just shut up?Why do you have to post something in every thread about France?

Cant you just accept the fact and move on or something? I mean its not as if you are proving people wrong, or critizising the sources, or convincing people that France is a really nice country...


Hortland expecting SLO or Stratto to have a rational defense is like expecting a pig to toejam a gold bar.

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« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2003, 09:15:53 AM »
J'avoue que Chirac est plus que pesant sur cette histoire surtout sa sortie au sujets des pays de l'est.
D'un autre coté je trouve fabuleux qu'un pays voulant intégrer l'UE achete des avions US...

Vis à vis des US Chirac joue le même jeu que moi dans ce forum...
Une sorte de "Il vaut mieux mourir debout que vivre à genoux" et je ne peux lui donner tord.
Surtout que les US on beau jeu de nous dire qu'on les bloque alors que c'est eux-même qui on fixé les regles du jeu ...

De plus la pression constante de nos "amis" d'outre-atlantique commence à me faire chier profondément... pour prendre un exemple le week-end dernier j'ai passé 18 heures d'affilé a aider un de nos clients americain sur un de nos matériel hors-garantie...

En remerciement cette espece de [censuré] annule une commande car il n'aime pas l'attidude de la France mais ça il ne l'a dit qu'apres que l'on ait réparé le merdier que cette incroyable crétin avait causé à sa propre machine. C'est ce type d'attitude infantile et méprisante qui me hérisse le poil en aucun cas je vais me mettre à leur lécher les bottes si je suis en désaccord avec eux.
Je ne suis pas suedois moi.


C'est marrant comme cette anecdote est proche dela situation en Iraq avec un petit Sadam parvenu au pouvoir avec la bénédiction des US ... et même l'aides des US ...

Quand à ton documentaire es-tu sur qu'il était bien objectif ?
a t il parlé des dizaines de visites de Monsieur Rumsfeild du temps ou les US était du coté de Sadam ?

A-t-il parlé des interets US dans la région et de la véritable cause de l'engagement US ?

De comment une invasion de l'Iraq pourrait casser la pompe à pognon Saoudienne ?.

A il abordé le Wahabisme et l'origine des la prise de controle des Saoud sur l'Arabie Saoudite ?

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« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2003, 09:17:41 AM »
I wonder if he thinks anyone of us care enough to translate a post in French. :D

Especially when you know from his english posts what to expect.