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Offline Albacore

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« on: February 21, 2003, 12:06:15 AM »
A very impressive piece of Russian hardware that led to the adaptation of the Hs129. Take Special notice of the killed Tiger photos. We need the Js with the 122mm gun. Wowzers.


http://www.battlefield.ru/is2_1.html
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Offline GScholz

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« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2003, 02:52:24 AM »
Althoug a very nice tank, the Iosef Stalin series was not as well armored as the Tiger, and its 122mm gun was inferior in all but HE power.
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« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2003, 04:18:08 AM »
JS2 actually had much better armor than Tiger 1.
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« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2003, 07:37:12 AM »
It's a hell of a big tank!  The tracks are huge!  I managed to get inside one at Duxford.  I seem to have deleted most of my images, here are the only ones left:
http://www.btinternet.com/~nexx/Duxford/102-0229_IMG.JPG
http://www.btinternet.com/~nexx/Duxford/102-0238_IMG.JPG
http://www.btinternet.com/~nexx/Duxford/102-0240_IMG.JPG
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« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2003, 08:40:21 AM »
From http://www.onwar.com/tanks/index.htm

IS-2

Armor Detail -  Front -  Side -  Rear -  Top/Bottom
Hull -  120mm@60° -  90mm@90° -  60mm@49° -  20mm@0°
Superstructure -  120mm@30° -  90mm@75° -  60mm@41° -  30mm@0°
Turret -  90mm@round -  90mm@72° -  90mm@60° -  30mm@0-5°
Mantlet -  100mm@round


Tiger 1

Armor Detail -  Front -  Side -  Rear -  Top/Bottom
Hull -  100mm@66° -  60mm@90° -  80mm@82° -  25mm@0°
Superstructure -  100mm@80° -  80mm@90° -  -  -  25mm@0°
Turret -  100mm@82° -  80mm@90° -  80mm@90° -  25mm@0-9°
Mantlet -  100-110mm@90°
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Offline chunder'

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« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2003, 10:29:51 AM »
The biggest detractor in my mind is the extremely rapid 1.5-2 rounds per minute rate of fire... that's on par with a shore battery or cruiser.  It sure would raise the pucker factor in a tank battle when a Tiger lets loose about 3-4 rounds at you in the time it takes you just to reload (better hope he misses).
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Offline AGJV44_Rot 1

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« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2003, 02:12:03 PM »
You should check out the JS III I have pics of the one brady and I saw at Aberdeen proving grounds thing is huge, but not as big as the Jagdtiger muhahhahaha.
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« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2003, 02:35:00 PM »
Ya that was good day:)

  Put my paw on a Jagtiger i did:), amongst other thing's.

  The JS II would rock hard, imo, It's low ammo load could be an issue, but if you had a buddy in aM3 with supleis it would be very cool, imagine wacking hangers with that gun:)
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Offline AGJV44_Rot 1

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« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2003, 02:40:44 PM »
Still would like to see the JS series low ammo or not but the T34 85 would be sweet.
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« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2003, 02:58:33 PM »
So the vote is in. Give us some Commie armor and perhaps a map of Kursk and we'll kill each other like it's 1999.
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Offline Albacore

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« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2003, 02:59:59 PM »
I used to live not far from Aberdeen. That Nike outlet center is pretty decent for slightly substandard shoes.
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« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2003, 03:32:31 PM »
very cool perk tank
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Offline Sakai

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« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2003, 03:44:49 PM »
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Ya that was good day:)

  Put my paw on a Jagtiger i did:), amongst other thing's.

  The JS II would rock hard, imo, It's low ammo load could be an issue, but if you had a buddy in aM3 with supleis it would be very cool, imagine wacking hangers with that gun:)


Actually, I would like to see any of the large, mobile guns for armor attacks.  I think the "tanks" we have are fine, sur emore is good, but think of the "armored artillery" as a nice change.  The Su-122, Sturmgeschutz III, etc.  The M7 Priest is a nice idea, but a Russki tank would be cool.  How many Joe Stalin's were produced?

Hey, and if you had the Su-122, you could model the excellent Su-85 tank destroyer!

Just my dos pfennigs.

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« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2003, 11:54:07 PM »
The SU-100 was an even better tank destroyer.  That gun it had was insane.  The SU-85 was ok, the SU-122 and 152 were very nice for taking crap down.  The Brumbar would be nice or the Priest series.
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« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2003, 01:51:42 AM »
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
JS2 actually had much better armor than Tiger 1.


The direct comparison of armor thickness does not accurately represent the level of protection. The Tiger was armored with tempered face-hardened Krupp KC armor, while the JS2 had only homogenous cast-steel armor. Also the armor gun mantlet of the Tiger was 120mm thick and covered nearly the entire front of the turret (see picture below). On the other hand the JS2 had more sloped armor which would increase it's effectiveness ... but not as much as some would like to believe.

Armor Data
 
MODEL: TIGER I / TIGER II Nr. 1 to 47 / TIGER II Nr. 48 to end  

FRONT    
Gun Mantlet: 120mm @ 0° / - / Topfblende  
Turret: 100mm @ 10° / 100 mm Curved / 180mm @ 10°  
Superstructure: 100mm @ 9° / 150mm @ 50° / 150mm @ 50°  
Hull: 100mm @ 25° / 100mm @ 50° / 100mm @ 50°  

SIDE    
Turret: 80mm @ 0° / 80mm @ 30° / 80mm @ 21°  
Superstructure: 80mm @ 0° / 80mm @ 25°  80mm @ 25°  
Hull: 60mm @ 0° / 80mm @ 0° / 80mm @ 0°  

REAR    
Turret: 80mm @ 0° / 80mm @ 30° / 80mm @ 20°  
Hull: 80mm @ 9° / 80mm @ 30° / 80mm @ 30°

Germany's Tiger Tanks, Tiger I and II Combat Tactics, by Thomas L Jentz
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