Author Topic: Pyro, HT, can you review the 51D (Read 933 times)

juzz · « **Reply #15 on:** July 29, 2000, 07:39:00 PM »

ra - they go and retrieve the "black box" flight recorder from the wreckage of their Mustang.

Hangtime · « **Reply #16 on:** July 29, 2000, 09:00:00 PM »

Tis a dirty job too.. what with the fuselage tent pegged into all that sheepsh*t..

fd ski · « **Reply #17 on:** July 29, 2000, 09:55:00 PM »

I'd like to see some numbers to back up the AH's E retention of P47.
Wells did a comparison a while back on some planes in WB and most of the US plane ( aka. big fat brick with huge engine ) didn't come out too well.

I really start to wonder when i dive on 47 in spitfire and not only he tunrs with me but also outaccelerates me.

------------------
Bartlomiej Rajewski
aka. Wing Commander fd-ski
Northolt Wing
1st Polish Fighter Wing
303 (Polish) Squadron "Kosciuszko" RAF
308 (Polish) Squadron "City of Cracow" RAF
315 (Polish) Squadron "City of Deblin" RAF

Turning 109s and 190s into scrap metal since 1998

Northolt Wing Headquarters

Citabria · « **Reply #18 on:** July 29, 2000, 10:15:00 PM »

I think the p51 isnt broke

I think the latest planes are still new and havent been tweaked to fit in perfectly with the other fine tuned flight models

Fishu · « **Reply #19 on:** July 29, 2000, 10:19:00 PM »

Usually wing will suffer structucal damages first, then it will reduce your max Gs, if you don't want to totally rip off your wings..
8Gs in P-51 probably does structucal damages on wing which may cause weakness on future Gs...
Like in Spitfire, it had some recommendation to not pull over 6Gs or wings might suffer structucal damages.
I would like to see that in AH

I think that hits on you might weaken your wings, even if hits does not do damage.
Once I had P-47D filled up with pings but still flying allright, then I pulled something 2.5G and *WHAM* both wings off and I was wondering a bit.. (had couple smokes coming out but not the one with fire

)

[This message has been edited by Fishu (edited 07-29-2000).]

Vulcan · « **Reply #20 on:** July 30, 2000, 06:24:00 AM »

Gotta say the Jug pulls some wierd toejam.

I've had E on a guy, watch him go up, do a wingover, zoomed past him, the jug completes wingover levels and then goes vertical after me, catches me, blammo I'm feeding daisies.
Sorta hard to describe but it sure had me scratching my head (damn lice).

Hangtime · « **Reply #21 on:** July 30, 2000, 08:49:00 AM »

Hmmmm... I don't disagree with yah cit.. the pony does not seem 'broke''.. just unusually weak with the wings; and the compression stuff seems kinda odd. I tend to agree that the newer planes in the sim ain't been fine-tuned in their FM's yet to reflect their place in the line-up; but that's not what I'm wondering about.

I sure ain't the expert on other plane types.. but AFAIK; no other plane in the sim pops wings off like the pony does.. this sure wasn't something I ever heard about being a problem on the P51 in RL. Maybe there's a decimal outta place or something.

As for the compression stuff.. sure I'd expect it to compress.. after some kinda buffet, and at higher speeds than it crops up now. We all feel wind shear/boundry effect buffet on alt transitions.. but nothin for compression. There's no buffet; no sound indicator; high-pitched shriek (except from the pilot) or whistle or any other cue to warn the pilot he's close to compression. Just dead controls; then a wing groan... kinda odd I think. If I have enuff alt; I can usually save a compress with trims and throttle chop.. but it's still commin on to soon I think.

I'm just suggesting a look-see.. not trying to entice a LW flame war.

Hang

Rude · « **Reply #22 on:** July 30, 2000, 12:00:00 PM »

Hang

Tweak the joystick settings....something not found on real life fighter aircraft

Cyas Up!

------------------

[This message has been edited by Rude (edited 07-30-2000).]

Kieren · « **Reply #23 on:** July 30, 2000, 12:12:00 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by Vulcan:
Gotta say the Jug pulls some wierd toejam.

I've had E on a guy, watch him go up, do a wingover, zoomed past him, the jug completes wingover levels and then goes vertical after me, catches me, blammo I'm feeding daisies.
Sorta hard to describe but it sure had me scratching my head (damn lice).

Barrel roll or rolling scissors- and if you blew by him too deep and tried to pull up to recover he sure would have the energy to catch you in his guns long enough to kill you. This won't just happen with the P-47, just about any plane in the set can use the maneuver to reverse a defense into offense if the the pursuing plane isn't watching what is going on. The 109's especially excel at this maneuver.

Pongo · « **Reply #24 on:** July 30, 2000, 01:26:00 PM »

Hang.
We were noting some wierd behavior with the 190 a few weeks ago. Wing loss seemed to be extremely easy if you applied any aileron at all in a pull up. Dont know if the pony issue is releated or not.

Zigrat · « **Reply #25 on:** July 30, 2000, 01:27:00 PM »

Wells,
in aircraft design a 1.5 SF is used, but that is at manufacture. This saftey factor will decrease as the airframe ages due to things like creep.

Pyro · « **Reply #26 on:** July 30, 2000, 01:48:00 PM »

We're going to be looking at some flight model issues soon. The plane shouldn't break at 8 Gs though, at least not every time. Under certain conditions it's probably possible, but I'll take a look it.

------------------
Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations

Yeager · « **Reply #27 on:** July 30, 2000, 02:01:00 PM »

Exactly what I was looking for Pyro!

In the finale analysis what any particular FM is doing does not matter as long as I know you folks are cuddling the little babes!

Thnx,
Yeager

Hangtime · « **Reply #28 on:** July 30, 2000, 02:13:00 PM »

Thanks Pyro.

Hang

Spatula · « **Reply #29 on:** July 30, 2000, 04:21:00 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by Hangtime:

As for the compression stuff.. sure I'd expect it to compress.. after some kinda buffet, and at higher speeds than it crops up now. We all feel wind shear/boundry effect buffet on alt transitions.. but nothin for compression. There's no buffet; no sound indicator; high-pitched shriek (except from the pilot) or whistle or any other cue to warn the pilot he's close to compression. Just dead controls; then a wing groan... kinda odd I think.

I posted a thread in the aircraft section of this board along these lines, and maybe i didnt explain it properly but everyone just told me: "live with it". But i still think its odd how it just comes on instantly (quite literally) without warning, noises, creaks, buffeting etc.

I dont normally get the wing pop thing, in fact i can't remember when that last happened to me, i always get that weird compression and auger. To prove the point i dived down after a 109 from about 15K, i was on 0% throttle and slipping with rudder to control speed. I was making ground on him slowly, then all of a sudden compression hits me, i plummet 6K into the deck and the 109 pulls out of the dive. Something aint right there.

Overlord Spatula
=357th Pony Express=