Author Topic: Engine turning off-On toggle (Read 666 times)

BGBMAW · « **on:** February 26, 2003, 02:56:56 PM »

Ok..I know this thread was posted

BUT..I didnt experince its full use till joining the Ladder..

Ok..So peopl turn there engines off.. to be able to turn harder/roll faster the opposite way of the p-factor...

Can HTC make it so your engine doesnt start so quick whil in flight??

Dam ..I hate to have to now start toggling and engine on & off if im against a very good pilot who is doing the on/off thingy..

Dam there is an advantage when you turn your engine off that is for sure....

You want to roll to the rigth faster in your mustang...turn ur engine off for a sec or 2..

BiGB
xxoxo

Dennis · « **Reply #1 on:** February 26, 2003, 04:05:01 PM »

hear, hear!

FWIW, IL2, in one of its patches, modeled a feature where if you shut your engine off in mid-flight, it can be difficult to restart --- sometimes damage prevents it from restarting at all.

I'd be interested in reading about cutting the engine as a historic dogfighting tactic. Any good sources?

Splash1

buzkill · « **Reply #2 on:** February 26, 2003, 05:14:07 PM »

even euopean air war (old game)has seperate controls for each engine. I do like the way ppl squeak when you out turn thier zeke with a p38;)

Kweassa · « **Reply #3 on:** February 26, 2003, 06:59:25 PM »

I'm skeptical about one-touch engine restarts, too.

But I believe in a previous discussion, people have confirmed turning off the engine has no effect/advantage in maneuvering whatsoever.

-ammo- · « **Reply #4 on:** February 26, 2003, 09:54:54 PM »

There were some folks that said they believed there was no gained advantage from toggling your engine on and off in a stall fight, but from my experience that just isn't true. It does give an edge to those that use it with good timing.

Be warned, this topic created quite the stir.. and I can see why. If you see some of the hot sticks use this in duels it is awesome to watch. They don't want to lose that edge.

Octavius · « **Reply #5 on:** February 26, 2003, 11:14:54 PM »

I've never heard of killing your engine for an advantage.

How and why does this work?

Torc · « **Reply #6 on:** February 26, 2003, 11:17:59 PM »

*Slaps Oct with a huge trout* Is reducing throttle just as dweeby as toggling engine?

Shane · « **Reply #7 on:** February 27, 2003, 02:14:12 AM »

or even as dweeby as, say, running an engine at full throttle non-stop?

MrLars · « **Reply #8 on:** February 27, 2003, 04:33:13 AM »

HT fixed the insta start you could get by toggeling the control on-off-on...I never used it inflight but on takeoff it would bypass the engine start routine and give full power instantly.

If there ever was any advantage it is lessened considerably now.

Octavius · « **Reply #9 on:** February 27, 2003, 10:49:29 AM »

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Originally posted by Torc
*Slaps Oct with a huge trout* Is reducing throttle just as dweeby as toggling engine?

ow !!

lol I'm serious. How does killing your engine give you a tighter turn?

Killing engine to bleed E faster only to instantly turn it back on is bunk IMO... (thats not what I was asking Torc

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HFMudd · « **Reply #10 on:** February 27, 2003, 11:16:16 AM »

Well, I can see that throttling down (or engine off) will allow you reduce the torque when turning counter to the prop rotation thus giving you a tighter turn. But... I also question if the speed given up is worth it. Would it not be better trade that speed for a bit of altitude and pull the tighter turn by rolling back down behind?

buzkill · « **Reply #11 on:** February 27, 2003, 04:57:32 PM »

Ok..i never kill an engine in p38, i re-mapped the way you select which engine you want to control with throttle.if i want a tighter right turn,hit the button for the right engine,drop throtte,and let the torque from the left engine pull it around.kind of a controlled flat spin(rudder helps)

hblair · « **Reply #12 on:** March 02, 2003, 11:09:44 PM »

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Toad · « **Reply #13 on:** March 03, 2003, 02:35:49 AM »

I sort of doubt very many people switched off their engines in combat, put that's just a personal educated guess after talking to lots of them.

However, I have also talked to lots of pilots that have run a fuel tank dry or accidentally bumped a mag switch or something and momentarily killed the engine.

Where does this idea come from that the engine will/should break or harm it self irreparably if you momentarily shut it down and restart it?

BTW, I'm don't use engine shutdown here. I've had it done by the other guy in a fight though and it does make the scissors pretty awesome if they know what they're doing.

MrLars · « **Reply #14 on:** March 03, 2003, 04:58:06 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad

Where does this idea come from that the engine will/should break or harm it self irreparably if you momentarily shut it down and restart it?

I don't know much about A/C engines but if you run up a car engine to high RPM and then shut off the ignition and turn it back on before the engine stops you'll get a hell of an explosion in the exhaust manifold. I can imagine that in an engine that sucks a lot more fuel than a car engine the explosion in the exhaust manifold could be damaging.

I bet there was some testing of the effects, it would be interesting to see the data collected.