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Offline Fridaddy

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« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2003, 11:02:02 AM »
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Well, I guess Dragon said dont ask on our teams BBS so your not breaking the rules. But I think he wants you to look in other venues.

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« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2003, 11:09:14 AM »
I've emailed him with what I thought was the answer he said it wasn't it , and I looked on warpig, couldn't find it.. :( Guess im out of that 5 dolla :( BUT NOT YET!!! :D
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« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2003, 11:25:14 AM »
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does climate play a part in equipment choices?

I.E. severly dry, severely moist, cold, hot. etc etc..?
other than the obvious needs of warm clothing in cold, etc.


Wlfgng...I only rent equipment when I play...so I really don't know.  But, if you play outdoors on a really cold day you may want to ensure that no exposed skin is showing...not because it is cold, but because the paintballs do not break nearly as easily as they become slightly hardened by the low temperature.

I got hit on my "pinky" finger on one such cold day, playing outdoors...I didn't think an appendage that small could hurt so much (no funny jokes here please:D ).  I also got hit right on the top of my head that same day.  I immediately put up my hands and got off the field suffering from a big time headache.  The ball hadn't broken..and I knew it...I left becuase it really frigging hurt and I needed to go put a hat on to afford "some" protection.
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« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2003, 11:33:55 AM »
www.paintballgear.com


I buy ALL my stuff from these guys.  However, there are tons of places to buy paintball equipement.

I personally have a 2000 autococker which I've tricked out and just bought an AKA viking.  My viking will be replacing my cocker as I can get upwards of 17 - 20 bps out of it.   Once I get good at walking the trigger that is.  Right now my loader can only handle 12 -13 bps.  It has nearly the accuracy of the cocker, and equal the range.  

There have been a lot of posts already.  If you are going to get started, this is what I would get.

STOCK autococker:  start at $350 or so
Preset 68/4500 PSI steel tank
JT Thermal goggles
12 VOLT revolution loader
Some sort of tube pack (personal perference)
Good pair of baseball cleats
Dye excel Barrel

I ran that setup for the 2000 and 2001 season, started upgrading part for the 2002 season, and have "graduated to an low-pressure electric marker for this season.  

Check out EBAY also, there are a TON of markers out there and the autococker is a good one to get off of ebay.  If they come to you screwed up, they are usually VERY easy to fix, versus buying an electric marker.  I would NOT recommend buy electric off of EBAY.

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« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2003, 01:37:55 PM »
I started w/ a Tippman 68 special .. man loved the noise that gun made when it fired.. and bullet proof mechanics.
I now have a 2000 autococker w/ compressed air and about $800.00 woth of mods on it. Depending on where you play.. get a thermal mask for sure.  I live in AZ and non-thermal masks have a real fogging problem.  If ya haven't played much... I suggest you rent a field gun the first several times you play jsut to make sure the desire is going to stay with you.  If you go with a 'cocker... spend the extra $300- $400 on a good HPA system.  Guys that are having problems with their cockers breaking balls are probably using CO2.  I have scuba dived,  parachuuted, free climbed... done lots of cool things... for some reason, nothing gives me a ruch like a fast hitting 5 man tourney.  I am blessed though, I live on the outskirts of the PHX area and have a 6 field paintball facility 10 minutes frrom my house.  

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« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2003, 02:13:33 PM »
Hurrah for the old 68 special!!!  The *klunk-whang!!!* of firing it with a rickety siphon tank makes me nostalgic.

I also liked the KP5, PGP, and other old pumpguns.


On the field in casual play... the Shocker 4X4 non auto is a nifty marker, but it takes some maintennance.



Always wanted to make a ghille suit,  grab just a PGP with 4 or 5 shots and make a day of standing up behind the enemy once the line has swept past me...  Only seen it done tho.

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« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2003, 02:25:53 PM »
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Always wanted to make a ghille suit,  grab just a PGP with 4 or 5 shots and make a day of standing up behind the enemy once the line has swept past me...  Only seen it done tho.


AH, there is nothing like getting behind 'em and shooting them in the back.  I bunkered one guy from behind last season and gave him the chance to surrender.  

He hesitated, and screamed "never!!!!" and capped one off at me

He missed.....

I didn't and I lit him up like a xmas tree at a range of about 6 feet.

He got bunkered the next game by someone else on my team.  He surrendered quicker then the French :D :D :D

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« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2003, 02:32:09 PM »
Coupla quick comments.

First off, what TYPE of game you play should factor into your choice of a gun.  The Autocockers that everyone seems to be touting are fine guns for speedball (flat feild with a buncha obstacles set up.  What matters most is the volume of paint you can throw.  BOOORRRING!)   If you prefer to play games where you're crawling through the woods and stuff, you're gonna be better off with a something like a Tippmann.  They're far more rugged and reliable.  You're not gonna hafta baby it or keep it in perfect tune.

Not really bashing Cockers, but I don't know a single guy with one who doesn't have to dick with it regularly throughout the day.  Playing woodland games, there's just no need to cover the field in paint.  Unless, I suppose, you suck and have no tactical skill. ;)


Secondly, (despite a claim I've already seen in this thread) NO PAINTBALL GUN CAN THROW PAINT ANY FURTHER THAN ANY OTHER.  At the same velocity at least.  Simple physics here folks.  Most fields are FPS limited to 280 or 300.  Gun A tossing out a paintball at 300fps will NOT send it any further than Gun B tossing the same paintball at 300fps.  It's simply not possible.

The ONLY way to get more distance is to use a system that imparts a bit of backspin on the ball, thereby generating a bit of lift.  The Tippmann Flatline barrel is (AFAIK) still the only system that does this.  It DOES work, with some caveats.  The main one being that if you hold the gun in any position other than completely level, the ball will curve.

 
FWIW, I play almost exclusively woodland games.  I've got a Timmann .68 Carbine with a J&J ceramic barrel, a Tippmann Model 98 with a Flatline (that hardly EVER gets used) and a J&J ceramic, and a SuperNova with an electronic upgrade that I use when playing indoors or the ocassional speedball game.

I've got a buncha masks, but my favorite is the Brass Eagle Xtreme Vision 280.  Looks cool, rounded shape so it's less likely to grab on underbrush and whatnot, good ventilation.  I've also got a Scott BadAss that's probably my second favorite.  I think the current version is the BadBoy.  I've got a coupla others too.  I think they're probably both lower-end JT's.  Don't even remember cuz they're tossed on the shelf somewhere. :)
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« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2003, 02:43:41 PM »
Back in the day when I used to play, I wanted a full auto paintball gun.


This one was the only one I could find.



Used to be called the AT85r. It was supposed to be really good for acuracy and full auto fire if you modded it a bit.


Never did buy it, the 500plus price tag and not playing much kinda killed the idea.


Are they any good?

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« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2003, 02:56:00 PM »
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Coupla quick comments.

Secondly, (despite a claim I've already seen in this thread) NO PAINTBALL GUN CAN THROW PAINT ANY FURTHER THAN ANY OTHER.  At the same velocity at least.  Simple physics here folks.  Most fields are FPS limited to 280 or 300.  Gun A tossing out a paintball at 300fps will NOT send it any further than Gun B tossing the same paintball at 300fps.  It's simply not possible.



I've seen this debated on about 5 different boards, and yes it is possible to get more range or less range on different markers.  Its called shootdown.

I agree with you, everything being equal, two markers shooting the same fps will IN THEORY shoot the same distance.  You also have to take into account closed bolt vs open bolt (however, I'm not totally convinced on that argument tho), Hi pressure internals vs low pressure internals.

Some of the lower end markers (I'm going to use a spyder for this example, cuz one guy on my team shoots one and I have first hand experience with this).  

The first 2-3 shot (in rapid fire) will be almost equal in range, after that, my cocker will outdistance  his syder easily due to shootdown.  His marker/tank cannot supply enough air to allow the marker to constantly shoot 280 fps.  IE, his velocity drops during rapid fire resulting in less range.

In my case, the field that I play at is pretty open.  Not a lot of brush, trees etc to hide around.  The idea is to get as MUCH paint in the air on the break before making it to the bunkers.  Range and ROF is very important where I play at.  At field where woods are the name of the game, an Illustrator F4 or other single shots are plenty suffiecient.

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« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2003, 03:07:18 PM »
Nothin like working your way through the brush, tappin a guy on the shoulder with your gun in his ear.  In open play, I'm not satisfied til I've bunkered a player or 5.  My record: bunkered 5 at once...  to be fair, they were noobs... 2 were girls..man I love how big people's eyes get when they turn and see that 68 caliber barrel an inch frrom their mask. Had a guy at an open game once tell me that I didn't move much and was easy to find.(I had been coasting because I was one of the only customs on the field).   Next game I got right on his back... was gonna bunker him ... but took three or four steps back and lit him up.. I'm telling you,, it was very satisfying.  Naturally, I didn't have to say a word... gave him a wink and slunk off into the brush
Doberman... from a physics standpoint your comments on range are correct... but forgive me if they are not completely accurate.  what I mean is.. I can reach out and touch someone farther w/ my 'cocker than I can with most guns.. a ball that is more stable out of the barrel is going to travel farther than a ball that has had the force of the air/CO2 exerted on it unevenly. Just like  firearms w/ gunpowder.   A smooth bore round and a rifled round leave the barrel at the same speed...which one is going to travel farther?
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« Reply #26 on: February 27, 2003, 06:39:00 PM »
Hey Fridaddy, you're in Bob Long's neck of the woods, Team Ironmen, right?

My team captain, Mike Carrey, from Personal Vendetta who I played NPPL with for 6 years has played for Bob for the last few years since we quit playing.

I recognize your team name, LockDown.  Do you guys play on any of the circuits now?



As for the original post, having been sponsored by W'orr Game Prods, I'm somewhat biased, but the A/Cocker makes a decent all round gun, but as previous posters have said, be prepared to dick with it more than the average gun.

If you can afford it, and plan an playing tournament ball, invest in an electronic gun like the Itimidator (what I currently am shooting), or an Angel (was sponsored with Angels once upon a time as well.)


The best advice I read on here:  go to some fields and try out some guns and THEN decide what you like.  My old shop, MR Paintball/PMI Canada was a 3 man operation, with me being #3, and I've sold tens of thousands of different paint guns, and seen them back for warranty work, and done a majority of that work in my shop (PMI, Tipp, Bud Orr, Airgun, etc etc).  If you're looking for  a robust mid level semi auto, that will be inexpensive to fix, and only slightly less capable than a gun 2x the cost, grab yourself any of the Tippman semi autos.  If you plan on only buying one gun in the next few years, and are considering tournament level of play, for god's sake buy a tournament level gun and be done with it.


As for the poster who said that all guns have the same range due to physics:  WRONG!

At the muzzle if you have 5 guns shooting 300 fps exactly, I'll show you 5 guns that have completely different trajectories as well as ranges.  My autocockers with a carter stainless barrel = very flat shot, and will fly at least 30 feet farter than my intimidator with a rifled smart parts barrel as an example.  The ball will retain energy once leaving the barrel DIFFERENTLY depending on a great number of factors, but most importantly the brand of paint, it's size (.689 to .692 typically when measured with a micrometer), the barrel surface and rifling, and how it interacts with each individual make of paint, and the air pressure of the valve and how IT reacts to the impact the blast of air will make on the ball in the breach.
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« Reply #27 on: February 27, 2003, 06:48:54 PM »
Gman... thanks for posting about gun range... I was worried that I was the only one that was aware of the varying factors.  
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« Reply #28 on: February 27, 2003, 06:52:05 PM »
A friend of mine owns http://www.paintball.com.  Go to his site and tell him that Wilson sent you.

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« Reply #29 on: February 27, 2003, 07:47:10 PM »
I wanna realy do the brush ones, sneaking around, not speedball, cause I can scare the crap outa ppl if there not as aware of the area as I am, being the house at night right around the corner, and bro walks right by me, opposite way, and I say boo! and he jumps and screams..





Yeah, tippman might be the ones for me..  

Anyone here in the NE FL Area?

And wow look what this thread has turned into :D
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