Fw 190A-9

[Hristo]

It seems that the new 190 star in FB is not the Dora, but another A series - the A-9.

According to beta testers, it is faster than D-9 down low, better accelerating and better climbing, as well as obviously better armed. Given the slightly higher agility of A series over the Dora, it will most likely be more popular late war 190 choice than the Dora.

The A-9 history is pretty much unknown. Somewhere I read about 400 were made, whenever the engine was available. Strangely enough, Western sources almost ignore the A-9 in favor of the D-9, while Eastern data has several mentions of it.

IMO, the A-9 is the ultimate 190, not the Dora. D-9 is just an intermediate plane between 190 and 152.

[Pongo]

Is the engine an 801F?

[brady]

p.22

 " The FW 190A-9 was, a proposed Rammjager, was built in 6 prototypes and incorperated the BMW801F-1 powerplant with heavely armored wing leading edges."
 

  From Focke Wulf 190 by Robert Grinsell

[HoHun]

Hi Hristo,

>According to beta testers, it is faster than D-9 down low, better accelerating and better climbing, as well as obviously better armed. Given the slightly higher agility of A series over the Dora, it will most likely be more popular late war 190 choice than the Dora.

The Fw 190D-9's Jumo 213A could achieve 2140 HP at sea level, the BMW801TS of the Fw 190A-9 2200 HP. Though the D-9 was a bit lighter than the A-9, the difference probably is down to the wing armament only. (The Dora could carry wing armament just like any Fw 190, but it appears that only later subvariants like the D-13 were thus equipped.)

In low-speed climbs and turns, there'd be little difference between the A-9 and the D-9, but when it comes to high speed flight the low-drag inline layout of the D-9 of course translates into immediate superiority.

In fact, I don't know where the assumption that the D-9 was a step backwards in manoeuvrability comes from. The D-9 was an A-8 airframe with a more powerful engine and a smaller frontal area - quite obviously, it had to be superior in everything.

The A-9 has an engine of equal power, but still with a large frontal area - it's not going to beat the D-9 in anything.

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

[MANDOBLE]

Well, the fact is that, actually, our AH 190A8 has better hi/lo speed handling than D9. They are only on par at med speeds. Based on that and the superior weapon set and armour, AH A9 may be a better choice for combats up to 10k than D9.

And, about Jumo vs 801TS, what would be the power output at sea level and NO WEP of each engine?

[BUG_EAF322]

They are both dweeb.




"It's wabble inside"

[BUG_EAF322]

The problem with wabble planes was they both had to fight high alt superiour american fighters and low alt superiour russian planes.

They never could made up their mind

[HoHun]

Hi Mandoble,

>Well, the fact is that, actually, our AH 190A8 has better hi/lo speed handling than D9.

It has always been that way since Air Warrior :-) However, I can't imagine what the reason would be. The airframes hardly differ, after all.

>And, about Jumo vs 801TS, what would be the power output at sea level and NO WEP of each engine?

2200/2140 was "wet" WEP, the next step down would be "dry" WEP at 2000/1900. I'm not quite sure about the combat power of the BMW801TS, but the projected BMW801E of which the TS was a simpler implementation had 1800 HP compared to the 1700 HP of the Jumo 213A.

So the difference at most power settings seems to be in the region of 100 HP, but the Jumo 213 yields more exhaust thrust, pretty much closing the gap. And the D-9 in any situation gets the same performance from less power anyway :-)

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

[hazed-]

From "Combat Legends Focke Wulf 190" by peter caygill


"Fw 190A-9

The A-9 varient was powered by a BMW 801F engine of 2000hp but only one machine, v-34 werke Nr 410230, was produced.Intended as a ramming fighter, it featured armoured wing leading edges and production examples would have carried a single MK 108 30mm cannon in each of the outer wings and been powered by a BMW 801TS engine with turbo-supercharging.The proposed R11 and R12 sub-variants were all weather fighters equiped with PKS-12."

I would have thought armoured wing leading edges and their added weight would have reduced its manouverability, plus the extra weight of the mk108s over the doras mg151/20's .I cant see this aircraft out manouvering the 190D-9 and if it did out perform in every area as you claim why build so few?
I think it was decided partly to do with a lack of engines but more likely because performance wasnt what was hoped for or expected. Another thing is an aircraft can hardly be the definative version if it didnt actually fight could it?

[GRUNHERZ]

There were many FW190A9 produced.   I dont remember the exact number but I remember that I was shocked at how large it was - way up in the multiple 100s.

[brady]

So my source was incorect.....?


p.22

" The FW 190A-9 was, a proposed Rammjager, was built in 6 prototypes and incorperated the BMW801F-1 powerplant with heavely armored wing leading edges."


From Focke Wulf 190 by Robert Grinsell

[MANDOBLE]

More about 190A9:

BBS

Werk numbers

JG 301 flying with A9s

Probably there was a single prototype of 190A9 equipped with 801F engine, but any modified 190A8 with BMW801TS and bubble canopy may be consider as a 190A9 aswell. add to these all the natively magnufactured 190A9 airframes with 801TS engines.

[Hristo]

According to FB beta testers, BMW/Kommandogerat is better than Junkers/Kommandogerat combination. Similar for 109s, where their equivalent of Kommandogerat is inferior to one of the 190A.

A-9 is lighter than A-8, with more poweful engine and same weapon package. Not sure about bomb rack. Also, it uses different prop, with wider blades than rest of A series.

A-9 was produced and delivered, the number is about several hundred (depending on the source).

[hazed-]

damned annoying when different books give totally different figures.Especially here where books say anything from only 1 produced to up in the 100's!

where do these fools get their info? from the junior enciclopedia of paper aeroplanes?

Im beginning to think the russian sources are probably way more accurate, and it seems truthfull, than the western ones.If ours say only one made and russians then show that hundreds were fighting them on the eastern front, with pictures turning up of them actually flying maybe its time to take their word for it!

I hope the '100's' figures are correct because then theres room to add it to AH!!! A 190a8 type weapons load with handling of a 190a5(ish!! ) and high alt performance better than the 190d9.

GIMME GIMME PLEASE

[eddiek]

What the heck is FB?