search and rescue operations

[medic-]

could it be possible to have a seaplane or
some other form of s and r, to prevent a certain capture and lower score, in this
arena, for downed pilots.

[Corvet]

That would be neat.

I would take a PBY and rescue one of my guys.



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S/L Corvet, 416 RCAF
FLY CANUCK!
416rcaf.org

[Beaz]

"air-sea rescue"

Lets say for arguments sake that 'downtown' is humming along in his nice brand spanking new aircraft. He's just as happy as a clam bimbeling along but he gets bounced by a nasty 190 and one of his wings decides to part company with the rest of his machine. He manages to bail and once he floats to the deck he is transported back to his home airfield to take off again as he wishes. No time lost at whatever we pay an hour and absolutely no change from what we have now in WB. Meanwhile 'downtown's "ghost" is floating around in a dingy or sitting waiting patiently in a field to be rescued and this is where the air-sea rescue guys come in. 'downtowns's ghost has only a set time before he is either captured by the enemy or quite simply dies. As soon as his little feet touch the ground/waves the timer is started and lets say for arguments sake that before 15 minutes have elapsed he has to be rescued. If he isn't rescued in that time then his "ghost" is either captured or dies from hypothermia... whatever... and 'downtown' is only then credited with one third points for that sortie. If the air-sea rescue guy manages to save his bellybutton from the jaw's of imminent death and transports him home safely then not only 'downtown' but also the rescue guy get full points for that sortie. Hence we could introduce float-planes and spotter planes to do this kind of job. I guess this would introduce a whole new breed of pilot to AH who like landing aircraft in desolate and dangerous places to pick up stranded pilots. It also means that you could infact save yourself  

Regards

Daren


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Beaz
249 Squadron RAF "Gold Coast"
"With Fists and Heels"
Part of the Tangmere Wing

[Windle]

*Big bellybutton Punt*

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Windle
*Future Aces High VF-17 'Jolly Rogers' squadron 8X

[Mark Luper]

That sounds terrific!! I would dearly love to take a PBY (with manually controlled prop pitch and mixture :-) ) to save some one who is floating in a dinghy waiting to be picked up. That in my opinion would be the ultimate add-on!
Now... a question from someone who is of more advanced years than most... What is with this "punt!" thingy some of you keep posting? Makes absolutely no sense to me...



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Mark (-mark-) Luper
Fighting Chaplain
500th Bomb Squadron, 345th Bomb Group
Rough Raiders

[Ping]

 What is with this "punt!" thingy some of you keep posting? Makes absolutely no sense to me...

 Me thinks its so it will jump back to the top of the list.

ping

[Carrot]

Mark and Ping,

You are right, its a way of getting the post back up to the top of the list where it is more likely to be read.
Its come from AGW where it seems that most of the readers/posters are American and they use the "punt" term as in american football, and "kick" the post back up the "field" to the other end.
Of course done to often, just annoys people   but suitably restrained punts can be quite useful.
And, of course, it may have little relevance to folks from outside the USA who dont play Gridiron or American Football. But then again, the english soccer term "dribble" does have other connotations that may be misinterpreted.  
Personally I would prefer a windsurfing term, but thats just me.

"Goitering" this to the top of the page.  



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Carrot
RNZAF
"Outta my way!! Lawndart in Progress."

[Downtown]

Why do I feel like Beaz has bounced me in his 190?

A punt is an American Football expression.

You get four downs to move the ball 10 yards down field.  If you don't do this in three downs, 99.99999999Etc % of the time the Head Coach sends in a guy from the cheerleading squad to kick the ball down field so that the other team who receives the ball has farther to travel to attempt to score.

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"I could feel the 20MM Cannon impacting behind me so I made myself small behind the pilot armor" Charlie Bond AVG

[Beaz]

Jeez... get a grip guys... we don't play namphy pamphy girly games over here where you need pads all over your body for protection   <gdr>

We play a real mans game called Rugby... no pads... just sheer bone crushing tackles... and I think the term your looking for equvalent to a "punt" would be a "conversion"... i.e to kick for an extra point after scoring a try... the same analogy as the "punt" to push the thread to the top of the list.

Regards

Daren

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Beaz
249 Squadron RAF "Gold Coast"
"With Fists and Heels"
Part of the Tangmere Wing

[kkoori]

Beaz,

A GREAT idea that is both practical and would provide a totally unique aspect to Aces High if it were impletmented.

Suggestions for other SAR aircraft:

GERMAN:

Arado Ar196 (from BB/cruisers*)
Blohm und Voss Bv138
Blohm und Voss Bv222 (largest in WW2!!)
Dornier Do18
Dornier Do24 (used by Dutch and RAAF)
Heinkel 59
Heinkel 115

BRITAIN and COMMONWEALTH

Shorts Sunderland (Flying Porcupine)
Supermarine Walrus (BB/Cruiser*)

ITALY

Cant Z501 Gabbiano
Cant Z506 Airone
Ro.43/44 (BB/Cruiser)*

JAPAN

Aichi E13A "Jake"
Kawanishi H6K "Mavis"
Kawanishi H8K "Emily"
Mitsubishi F1M "Pete" (BB/cruiser*)
Nakajima A6M2-N "Rufe" (convert A6M)

UNITED STATES
Consolidated Vultee Catalina PBY (classic)
Martin Mariner PBM-3
Vought Kingfisher OS2U (BB/Cruiser*)


*Battleship (BB) or cruiser launch option?  Landing nearby would classify as sucessful landing?


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P/O kkoori
75 Squadron RAAF Australia
Australian Aboriginal Soldiers Homepage:
http://www.geocities.com/pentagon/bunker/6545

[Krod]

Err.. (cough), I believe I coined the "punt" expression, even though I'm from Africa, and we also don't allow our rugby players to wear Barbie outfits or pads.

It seemed much better than "Just moving this to the top, y'all", and I figured it would be easily understood by most. Especially those from places where the sports"men" wear big mustaches, pads, and pink fairy clothes.

;>



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Krod
 nitro@nitro.co.za
Krod's WarBirds Pages, featuring Hatchlings
 krod.warbirds.org/
Editor: The WarBirds Book
 www.nitro.co.za/wb-book/

[zuni]

I like this idea also. The more immersion the better I say!

Zuni

[Downtown]

I am a short 5 Ft. 6 in. American, and played rugby league against some Aussies.

I don't appreciate being hit in the gonads and adams apple.  It just hurts too damn much.
I would rather just fight it out.

You don't get to score on a "Punt" in American Football.  A punt is just an attempt to give your opponent bad field position when you have to turn over the ball.

A "Field Goal" is more like a "Conversion," though in the sissy, namby pamby, girlish American Football they have a holder for the kicker.

Some of the best moments in American football are when the Punter/Kicker is forced to attempt to tackle the player from the opposing team who is returning the ball.

It is something like driving a freight train through some wet toilet paper.

Oh Yes.  I like this idea.

PUNTING it back to the top.

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"I could feel the 20MM Cannon impacting behind me so I made myself small behind the pilot armor" Charlie Bond AVG


[This message has been edited by Downtown (edited 08-06-1999).]

[Andy]

I, too, want to see some sort of ASR system introduced sometime.  It would add a little variety to the game and encourage the use of different types of planes.

I would love to be able to take off from a port or airfield in a PBY, or shoot off the back of a cruiser or BB in a Kingfisher, and go out and be a 'hero'.    The 'ghost' idea, which has been mentioned several times in another BBS, seems to be the best ASR option, IMO.

Another possibility for these types of planes would be some sort of recon function.  Maybe ship-launched floatplanes could also serve as naval art'y spotters, too.

As for landing the ship-launched planes, I suppose there are at least a couple options.  One would be to slowly advance on the aft end of a ship, simulating the USN's plane traps.  Another would be to land along side a ship and get stopped by an arrester hanging off the side of the ship, Kriegsmarine-style.  I don't know how the IJN, the RN or the Italians did it.

Kkoori mentioned a bunch of good A/C options.  The A6M2-N can't be used for ASR, it's a fighter.  Same goes for the N1K (which wasn't mentioned, but I figured I'd better deal with it anyway).  I suppose one could throw in the Aichi E16A "Paul", the Curtiss SOC Seagull, SC Seahawk and SO3C Seamew, the Supermarine Sea Otter, and perhaps the Beriev MBR-2, just to make the list of options more complete.

I think you would likely see the PBY and OS2U modeled as the first flying boat and floatplane, respectively.  

PBY is a classic (duh), and it could be used as a substitute for similar planes, such as the Dorniers and the "Mavis".  Still, I would rather be in the more modern flying boats, such as the Sunderland, the PBM, Bv 138, or the "Emily", as they might be more survivable in the online environment.

The OS2U was the most produced and widely used floatplane of the war.  Unfortunately, its seems rather mediocre compared to some of its contemporaries, such as the Ar 196A, the E13A1, and the F1M2.  I would feel safer in the virtual skies with any of these three than with the OS2U.

I would love to see the F1M2 modeled!

Regardless, I'd fly these types of planes almost exclusively if they were included in the planeset.  Of course, I AM sick in the head.  

Andy

[Bolter]

Hehe, yep its a neat idea, I mentioned it in the "what plane do you want in AH" topic...when somebody said they wanted a PBY!

(I replied I didn't think it would be used at all unless there was an SAR aspect to the game, where one could get points for pilot pickups...I had visions of cool CSAR CAPs, covering the "extraction," and sliding a Kingfisher or PBY in to save a downed pilot.

<S>

Consider the idea, pls, HT and Pyro...something new and different.

(maybe to add later)

Bolter
333rd RED DAWGS (soon to be established in AH perhaps)??