HTC, for 1.07, can you please, PLEASE remove the inflight Radar?

[hblair]

 

Originally posted by lazs:
sheesh... first some guys tell me I'm full of it and then spend two or three posts proving my point.

hblair... you don't get any more kills per hour than i do on average yet you consider it easy to find a decent (fairly large and fairly even) fite and i consider it near impossible at times

And most of my field attack sorties are scored as fighter sorties, skewing that stat big time. Finding a fight on US evenings is laughably easy.  

 

Originally posted by lazs:
I don't know how many would leave if dar were shut down.   I know some log off.   I have never heard anyone say they were logging because the dar came back up!

Read my reply to deja above.

While we're on the subject, how many never came to this game because of the radar?

Gimme that stat.

 

Originally posted by lazs:
blair... we are tying to simulate air combat IMO.

Did Air combat start out with 2 planes knowing exactly where each other was before they ever saw each other? Or did they stumble upon each other?

You aren't trying to simulate jack squat, except what's easy for lazs.  


 

Originally posted by lazs:
deja... "mission"?  most of what I seen was huge forces hitting a base and wiping out it's ability to defend itself allmost immediately.   this may be the "smart" thing to do but it is in no way fun for me and others.   If this is a "mission" then yes, it is the "M" word IMO... I heard people bragging about taking down fighter hangers at undefended fields.   I actualy like it when we or the other side is down to fewer fields because it concentrates the fite.   I couldn't care even a tiny bit who "wins" the war.   I care who wins the engagement and how intense it was.  the bigger and fairer the better.   Gangbanging is a distant second and being gangbanged falls far behind second.

I would also say that most people hate to engage buffs and would much rather have a real fite.  I think seeing a lone buff laser bombing a couple of buildings and putting an end to a dozen guys efforts and fun is an embarassment.   I would go a step further.  The buffs in the game are an embarassment and anything besides ignoring them or shooting their chutes is simply encouraging em.  That would include the "m" word.
lazs

This troll part was funny, but tell hooligan you're kidding please.

<g,d,r>  

[hblair]

 

Originally posted by Wlfgng:
sigh....      

I think we all know where we stand by now.

Let's just hope AH gives it a shot and lets the users (including those that don't post here) try it out.

inflight bar-dar only...
dot-dar only in tower.

Wlfgng is my squaddie. I disagree with him on the radar, and would rather have no radar, including bar dar, in the air. But ya know what? just because we're squaddies doesn't mean we have to agree with each other all the time on everything. We can agree to disagree. No biggie. No occult going on here in The Assassins.

<joking>  

[AKDejaVu]

 

I think HT and pyro did a great job thinking it out in WB's. It works there. I'm not arguing just for the sake of arguement, I actually spent 2 years over there. I've seen it. It worked. Most people who used it liked it. Read the responses here.

Wow.. you played Warbirds for two years too?  Guess what.. that is not unusual for anyone posting on either side of the argument.  Warbirds got some $3000-$4000 of my hard earned dollars.

Trying to compare the two is where you are a little off.  The games really aren't similar enough to assume that one radar system would work more/less better in the other game.

BTW.. ever wonder why Pyro and HT changed the dar setup?

AKDejaVu

[lazs]

"And most of my field attack sorties are scored as fighter sorties, skewing that stat big
                    time. Finding a fight on US evenings is laughably easy. "  

Huh?   a sortie is a sortie.   first you say that "fighters were all over you" and now you appear to be saying that field attack sorties are so boring that they 'skew' your stats.   So You want me to do field attacks with you???  Even taking that into account you are spending 25% more time flying around doing nothing than I am, you are still saying that you are finding plenty of fights?   Like I said... different strokes.

point is... i get more action than you and i find the level very low while you find it intense.   The people i talk to and fly with feel the same as me while those you talk to agree with you.   I feel that even with the best dar in the world it is hard to get a good fite as it changes in the 10 minutes or so that it takes you to get there.

It's maybe not the dar so much tho as it is the fighter availability.   you quoted me out of context on this game being about air combat... you left out the part that the game shouldn't be about the boring crap leading uyp to air combat or at least... it shouldn't have too much of that stuff.  but....

anyone who wants to tell me I don't know what I am doing and that i just don't know how to find a fite had better have AT LEAST as good a kill per time as me.  You can't tell someone they are having a good time when they are not.  
lazs
 

[Wlfgng]

THAT's IT HB... I'VE HAD IT!!!!!!
(throws off his hockey gloves)

hehe.. kidding  

Acutally, I agree to disagree...
the diff here is that we do it civilly .

[hblair]

 

Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
BTW.. ever wonder why Pyro and HT changed the dar setup?

AKDejaVu

Many times. You gonna let me in on it?

[hblair]

 

Originally posted by lazs:
"And most of my field attack sorties are scored as fighter sorties, skewing that stat big time. Finding a fight on US evenings is laughably easy. "  

Huh?   a sortie is a sortie.   first you say that "fighters were all over you" and now you appear to be saying that field attack sorties are so boring that they 'skew' your stats.   So You want me to do field attacks with you???

You missed my point.   Many of my sorties are "attack" sorties that I don't go through the trouble of clicking on the "attack" button in the hangar, to have them scored as "attack" sorties. On these sorties I purposely avoid enemy fighters because I'm trying to bomb stuff at their field. This makes my fighter score worse than it oughta be.


 

Originally posted by lazs:
It's maybe not the dar so much tho as it is the fighter availability.   you quoted me out of context on this game being about air combat... you left out the part that the game shouldn't be about the boring crap leading uyp to air combat or at least... it shouldn't have too much of that stuff.  but....

Don't take this too serious man.   No ill will intended by me. We just disagree on some things in the game is all. If we met in real life, I'd be the first to shake your hand. That goes to all you guys. hblair is just doing a little debating here. Doesn't mean I won't do my best to clear your 6 in the game.  

[sling322]

 

Originally posted by hblair:
...Thats like giving one side P51 Mustangs and the other side ME109f4, and when the side with the 109f4's start logging off, we all declare "Nobody likes 109F4's, there's the proof...

But I like the 109F4...it is becoming one of my favorite "time to re-build the perk supply" rides.

Seriously, though, as far as radar in the MA goes, I see no problem with having the bardar at all time whether or not you are in flight.  Sometimes people in some countries (insert Bishops here)   dont like to give status reports on the condition of some bases.  Having dot radar visible in the tower only and bardar visible at all times seems like an ok compromise to me.  As it is now you dont see the dots all the time especially if you are flying in enemy territory.

Assassins seem to still be sore over us ransacking their attempt to capture a Knit field last week....  

[Zigrat]

i agree with wlfgang

i think the best solution is dot radar in tower, bar radar in flight

having the bar in flight isnt a big problem IMO if it was modified so the bar doesnt show if under a couple hundred feet NOE

so teh changes would be:

1) no dot dar in flight, only bars

2) no bar dar if under 300 ft (or some other number)

i tend to think that eliminating radar*altogether* isnt the best idea, but certainly think that having precise dots of location on enemy contacts, in flight, is bad for the game.

[Hobodog]

Rather long thread  

[Pepe]

That's exactly our point Zigrat. That simple mod, that would allow finding fights, sneak & capture, eliminate artificial SA, and would please (and this is only my opinion) the great majority of players. And please do not tell me I can't speak for them. I am not doing it. It is my opinion, and, if this BBS would make a valid extraction of the whole AH population, the stats would prove this point.

Why can be this proposal have its chance? let's say a 15 days/one tour try, and restate situation? If Htc. made the price experiment, I guess they can do the radar one  

Cheers,

Pepe (only one eye open, after 2hours fixing windoze).

[Hooligan]

Well hblair:

I believe drex agrees with me on this one.  At least he seems to when we talk on RW, although perhaps he is just afraid to disagree with me (I might get mad and steal all of his kills after all).  Maybe we should share RW between our squads again some time soon.  I am certain he would be happy to share his opinion on this subject if you asked.

As far as last night:  We were not on at the same time, it sure sounds like things were better when he was on than when I was on.

Hooligan

[lazs]

Not only that stumblebum drex but everyone in the squad and everyone we have ever talked to.  Yeah... better hblair should join our RW than we join up on his "missions" unless he wants to hear a half dozen or so guys sayin "that's it I'm outta here... gotta clean the oven"
lazs

[hblair]

Lazs, weak jabo pilots are a dime a dozen. I prefer guys who can put their eggs on target, like, well, drex. He's a good jabo pilot, especially in a 190.

Oh yeah, you guys didn't know that though, did ya?

 

[WolfSkin1]

This post would have been in German had it not been for the BRDF (later known as radar) which was absolutely crucial for the RAF in 40. They would have los BoB without it. Having said that, I feel radar should remain but preferably not in the form it is now. Historical RDF could tell range, bearing and altitude of cons but wasn't allways too precise; pilots most often flew a few k's higher, just in case. Further, it took from a 'blip' first showed up on an RDR screen until a sqn was ordered to scramble, excactly 6 minutes. Therefore, I vote for the Bar, which I feel first of all would be a good simulation and secondly maintain the fun as opposed to no radar at all, which I agree could be damaging to gameplay.

And the earlier statement:
"Trust me, he said that to me face to face and I'd knock his mouth off his face.
If you think I'm some computer dork that plays keyboard bully, you are sadly mistaken.

But your free to think whatever you want, I spar every weekend with my friends.. gloves or no gloves and have had my nose broken 4 seperate times, I'm not afraid to tell someone to diddly off when they have it coming."

must be the most unsympathetic and demented to date in this BB. You can't make a silk purse of a sou's ear! (but might be shocked looking at it, having no bones left in it's face).