Author Topic: HTC, for 1.07, can you please, PLEASE remove the inflight Radar?  (Read 2285 times)

Offline Twist

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HTC, for 1.07, can you please, PLEASE remove the inflight Radar?
« Reply #90 on: May 07, 2001, 04:16:00 PM »
I read the whole thing...I can't believe I read the WHOLE THING!! Almost busted a gut too!   I agree..sh*tcan the 'dar, leave the bar. That way you'll know somethings there somewhere in a 25 by 25 mile square area, the rest is up to you.

Another thing, whilst reading this I finally figured out something thats been bothering me, you know, one of those things where your subconcious has it figured out but won't tell your concious mind what it is. I watched this SW yell in the arena quite often, giving commands and warnings, but it wasn't til I read this thread that I put it all together....ready? Here it comes....

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« Reply #91 on: May 07, 2001, 05:09:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by Maverick:
I doubt AH would get any new customers by having them play without a chance to be at parity with opposing players. No one would get past the 2 weeks free time. They would be long past enjoying being the underdog and cannon fodder for the experienced elite.
Mav

Mav, not trying to sound smart, but you do realize that the opposite country will have the same situation as you?

As far as nobody would sign up to play, maybe HT and pyro have done some study on this, dunno.

But I do know this, Warbirds has had no in-plane for years. And ya know what? Up til about 6 months ago if you flew over 15hrs(?) a month, you paid $1.99 per hour. There were many, many people who spent $50 a month on this "inferior" setup. And there were many who spent upwards of $200 a month on this *unfair* setup.

As far losing customers, I dunno, but in this thread, here's what people think...

18 people favorable to no in-plane radar.
13 people in favor of modifying the current system in one way or another.
4 people in favor of leaving it alone.

Somebody recheck my count, but I think thats pretty close.

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« Reply #92 on: May 07, 2001, 05:25:00 PM »
A lot of time has been spent typing a lot of words here..

bottom line:  

BAR-DAR will let you locate a fight.
DOT-DAR reduces fun for most pilots.

If you think NEED dot-dar, maybe you need to improve your SA and/or flying skills... I know I do.



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HTC, for 1.07, can you please, PLEASE remove the inflight Radar?
« Reply #93 on: May 07, 2001, 05:32:00 PM »
 
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A lot of time has been spent typing a lot of words here..
bottom line:

BAR-DAR will let you locate a fight.
DOT-DAR reduces fun for most pilots.

If you think NEED dot-dar, maybe you need to improve your SA and/or flying skills.

I can't help but get the feeling that those posting in this thread feel they represent the arena.

Most of the people that would be affected by dar changes the most don't even know this forum exists.

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« Reply #94 on: May 07, 2001, 05:42:00 PM »
AKDejaVu,
You are probably right about that.

What percentage of AH players frequent, or even use, these forums? 5%?  10%?

Only the most dedicated and geeky of us really use this board.

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HTC, for 1.07, can you please, PLEASE remove the inflight Radar?
« Reply #95 on: May 07, 2001, 06:03:00 PM »
I am not sure what the propblem is with Radar in this sim. From what I have seen so far, radar is controlled by HQ, you bomb HQ radar goes down for a specified amount of time. If you really hurt HQ radar goes down for a longer period.
What IS problematic IMO is the lack of info being shared by others. What I just wrote above did occur recently in the MA. One guy in the sector south of HQ and 3 Buffs otw to bomb HQ. After several calls on the country channel no info. I was getting low on gas but I had a lot of alt in an A8 with rockets.
The countryman in HQ sector would not/did not provide any information on the location of the buffs. He shot one down, big whoop. But, the others dropped on HQ, knocked out Dar. Meanwhile, I ran out of fuel as I was 1.5 away from the buffs, and the only other friendly in the area was too low to be of any help.

IMO, radar is important but, cooperation is even more so. And if the lack of some kind of radar were to happen then the lack of cooperation would become critical.
As in all things communication and cooperation is key if one wants this sim to be more than a game  

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« Reply #96 on: May 08, 2001, 05:30:00 PM »
I raise a counter-motion all for say "I" all against say "NAY"

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« Reply #97 on: May 08, 2001, 07:35:00 PM »
Having dot dar in flight is rediiculous IMO


I would be happy, for now, if we had radar like we have now in the tower, and only bar radar in flight.

I would really like a more radical change, but as a temporary stopgap thatd make me happy.

BTW you guys all talk about how changing settings might prevent ppl from joining.Well what about those who have quit because of the current lack of anything approaching realism  


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« Reply #98 on: May 08, 2001, 07:35:00 PM »
 
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That is an absolute complete baldface lie. You constantly YELL(caps) at everyone ALL the time.

I apologize -SW, you are neither a liar, nor do you yell all the time. My mistake. I was confusing you with Nimitz. Your still a....ah nm    
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« Reply #99 on: May 09, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »
Maverick your post is flawed from top to bottom.

Your first point tries to make a conclussion based on a flawed logic. You can not conclude that people will not join this sim because they log when one country loses Radar because of enemy action. These are different facts, and different reasons with no connection in between. Your second point illustrates it very well: It is not a case of advantage or disadvantage of one country, its a matter of settings for all trhee countries.

Your second point has valid points and flawed assumptions, again. AFAIK, this is a combat sim, as you well put. But you fail to define combat right. Combat is not only furball, 1vs1, or whatever. Combat is a whole set of measures, plans, isolated actions, etc. Players that do not care about combat do fly FS, but players that do may find your definition of Combat as too restrictive. This sim is, fortunately, quite a bit more than just air duelling.

The logic under your third point evades me completely. Can't think why no In-Flight radar would negate engagements but lo alt ones. Can't see how you deduct that only upping from a capped field would mean engagement. I've played WB and I can guarantee you that your point is not true or, at least, not connected with the issue of no In-Flight radar. Besides that, the word Interdiction takes a whole new dimension.

Your following point is your choices and opinions, so I won't comment.

Next, your doubt about new players. And you suggest that the setting would be too difficult for newbies to overcome. Flawed. In two senses, first parity does not reside on radar settings. In-Flight radar does not equal anything, actually it is unballancing because negates some evasion chances that could be well used by newbies. Second, learning curve is something that anyone aproacing this sim HAVE TO assume. Challenge and work are intrinsic to this kind of "serious" sims is the challenge. Not the point-click-boom sequence.

Next, options. Using your logic, I could tell you that you have other options as a player (CFS2, AW, Crimson Skies) instead of limiting my option to have a realistic sim, because there is no other like AH around, currently. But I wont. Instead of it, let me point that one thing is loadout, tracers, etc. options, that should be user-configurable as they represent the real options the pilot had to face, and another thing are the playfield options. Trying to put them all toghether is bogus. Besides that, radar does not offend anyone in particular. It rather annoys the majority around here (this BBS). It's not because of the radar itself (if it was the case, then your argument could be right) but because it severely limits (or plainly negates) the chance of some tactics involving brain usage and some of the funniest ways of flying (read NOE), without giving any valuable advantage (read gameplay as fun gameplay). Plus the feature is absolutely sci-fi by WWII standard.

Next point. There actually are some squads that fly that way in here, except, of course the part of stop playing, that I take as a license for dramathisation purposes. AH is a sim and a game, in my book. Do not know in what fields AH is not a sim...wait, yes, among a couple more, the radar issue falls right INTO the game field, and out of the sim field   .  Unfortunately, I quite concur with you in your quakelike sentence. The pity is that this might not be "what is all about", in the sense that this minor tuning things could open a bunch of new strategies, new ways in combatting, etc. without hampering very much others' options.

Let me use your penultimate sentence in all its significance. Think about it. Do not limit the options of this sim/game/sim. Modify radar behaviour and open up a new set of options to fight and play with.

Ah! and Pyro, please do not close this thread. I think it's not the most civilised one, but It's not that bad if you take the pain of reading it completely. And has VERY valid points, IMO.

Cheers,

Pepe, who is sorry about this tirade, and hope some of you are as bored in work as I do.

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« Reply #100 on: May 09, 2001, 04:04:00 AM »
And, I want to make the 100th. post  

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« Reply #101 on: May 09, 2001, 04:12:00 AM »
Not a stupid idea at all, in my opinion.

love to have dar only in the tower !

it makes u focuse in the flight all the time  
anb RW will be working hard   if u don`t have dar  

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« Reply #102 on: May 09, 2001, 04:48:00 AM »
 
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<snip>As far losing customers, I dunno, but in this thread, here's what people think...

18 people favorable to no in-plane radar.
13 people in favor of modifying the current system in one way or another.
4 people in favor of leaving it alone.

Somebody recheck my count, but I think thats pretty close.

And what about the 200 player who never read this board ? the silent majority ?


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« Reply #103 on: May 09, 2001, 07:12:00 AM »
The silent majority speaks every time they log onto warbirds without even caring about or mentioning no in-plane radar.

Why would it be so different here?

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« Reply #104 on: May 09, 2001, 07:21:00 AM »
I was not trying to bother you HB but more notice that you cannot count only the vote of the BBS poster as a part of the comunity (sp?) cannot/don't access the BBS.

Btw on this subject :
If there is inflight dar I will use it
If there is NO inflight dar I won't use it ...

That's my "I've no idea" contribution   to this thread