Author Topic: Al Queida leader (Read 2134 times)

ra · « **Reply #30 on:** March 03, 2003, 02:58:10 PM »

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Over here we called them, "Untermenschen". Literally, sub-humans. Half a century ago. Isn`t it surprising to hear such words from the world`s greatest democracy ?

You truly cannot see a difference between calling a mass murderer a sub-human, and calling an entire race sub-human? Or are you just using this as an opportunity to display your own Ubermenschen credentials?

ra

Ripsnort · « **Reply #31 on:** March 03, 2003, 03:01:02 PM »

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Originally posted by AKIron
There is a difference between judging someone by their actions and judging them by their race.

You beat me to it.(not literally, but keyboard..

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AKIron · « **Reply #32 on:** March 03, 2003, 03:07:42 PM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
You beat me to it.(not literally, but keyboard..)

Business has has been slow lately, what can I say.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #33 on:** March 03, 2003, 03:08:22 PM »

Same...since 9/11/01

muckmaw · « **Reply #34 on:** March 03, 2003, 03:56:54 PM »

Am I the only one that thinks this guy looks exactly like every New York City Cab Driver I've ever met?

straffo · « **Reply #35 on:** March 03, 2003, 04:04:49 PM »

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Originally posted by AKWabbit
Sub-human pieces of filth have no human rights.

hmmmm ... the language barrier ...

you mean unter-mensch ?

Where did I heard that before ?
as soon as I recall it I'll post inform you

straffo · « **Reply #36 on:** March 03, 2003, 04:07:41 PM »

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Originally posted by AKIron
There is a difference between judging someone by their actions and judging them by their race.

and if you behave like the Nazi you will be different ?

rogwar · « **Reply #37 on:** March 03, 2003, 04:11:03 PM »

They don't really have to rubber hose the guy. That method is unreliable as well. Sometimes a little respiratory trauma using water or other methods may be used to create fear. You don't really have to hook electrodes up to the guys nads anymore.

There are many ways of interrogating folks without using physical violence. Drugs exist that can be very successful when combined sensory and sleep deprovation. A lot of research has been done in this area. You really want to debrief by using interrogation techniques, not just obtain information in bits and pieces.

Granted, such is not a very nice thing to do to another person, but when you have to get information of this type, there are not many other choices. He made the choice to play this game. Now he has to go all the way.

It's just too bad to see a famous porn star take the wrong path once again.

AKIron · « **Reply #38 on:** March 03, 2003, 04:17:03 PM »

When the US invades Canada, Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, etc... with the intent to subjugate and starts gassing the jews, you can call us Nazis.

Hortlund · « **Reply #39 on:** March 03, 2003, 04:18:06 PM »

Nah, my bet is he is sitting in some Egyptian or Israeli cellar right now.

Problem is, US intel needs some information really fast, and while there are better interrogation methods than torture if you have enough time, if you need answers fast... Well, lets just say you dont have the time to break him down with sleep depravation or sensory depravation combined with drugs. And right now there are alot of questions that needs fast answers.

The US will have its back free anyway "what do you mean...WE didnt torture him", since there wont be any US agents doing the actual work on him...besides, the Egyptians or Israelis are better at that.

Erlkonig · « **Reply #40 on:** March 03, 2003, 04:34:37 PM »

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Originally posted by rogwar

There are many ways of interrogating folks without using physical violence. Drugs exist that can be very successful when combined sensory and sleep deprovation. A lot of research has been done in this area. You really want to debrief by using interrogation techniques, not just obtain information in bits and pieces.

Have you seen this research? The only research I'm familiar with on sensory deprevation reported that many of the subjects experienced hallucinations - that doesn't sound like the best method to use on someone you're trying to get information from.

straffo · « **Reply #41 on:** March 03, 2003, 04:35:43 PM »

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Originally posted by AKIron
When the US invades Canada, Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, etc... with the intent to subjugate and starts gassing the jews, you can call us Nazis.

I was speaking of the "sub human" expression.
I never spoke of the USA as a country or a whole.

But about some USA citizen who are using the same kind of justification used by the Nazi .

Furious · « **Reply #42 on:** March 03, 2003, 04:48:18 PM »

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Originally posted by straffo
I was speaking of the "sub human" expression.
I never spoke of the USA as a country or a whole.

But about some USA citizen who are using the same kind of justification used by the Nazi .

Straffo,

Now you are being an ass, just to be an ass.

Is it your supposition that all people are kind and loving? Is it possible that among us are people capable of such evil that they are "sub human", and should be treated as such by the world community?

Yes of course there are such people. Adolf Hitler was one. Jeffery Dahmer was one. Osama Bin Laden is one.

I understand you are defensive of late, but don't be an ass.

F.

rogwar · « **Reply #43 on:** March 03, 2003, 04:49:05 PM »

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Originally posted by Erlkonig
Have you seen this research? The only research I'm familiar with on sensory deprevation reported that many of the subjects experienced hallucinations - that doesn't sound like the best method to use on someone you're trying to get information from.

That is true if you push it too far. Same goes for physical torture as well (although it does not generally cause hallucinations). Any particular method becomes ineffective if applied too much. You have to use a combination of methods and ride a very fine line so to speak. There are scientists in the world that study exactly that sort of thing for all types of criminals and situations.

There has been a lot of dicussion about torture, but it's also highly likely that with a little good guy-bad guy, this tango chief may sing like a bird. The police are very effective all the time with these techniques. It takes quite a bit of training and conviction to be able to resist when there exists a basic human desire to save your own skin. This character may have the cojones to order other people to do sensless acts, but may not have the stones when it comes to self.

straffo · « **Reply #44 on:** March 03, 2003, 05:03:07 PM »

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Originally posted by Furious
Straffo,

Now you are being an ass, just to be an ass.

Is it your supposition that all people are kind and loving? Is it possible that among us are people capable of such evil that they are "sub human", and should be treated as such by the world community?

Yes of course there are such people. Adolf Hitler was one. Jeffery Dahmer was one. Osama Bin Laden is one.

I understand you are defensive of late, but don't be an ass.

F.

Sorry not for me ,if you act like them you are one of them.

Don't take me wrong I don't have pink glasses and I don't like nor support Hitler, Ben Laden or any of this scumbag.

I just don't want to be confused with them by my behaviour.
The only answer I have is jail with the minimal support .

Killing them or giving them pain is the way to have a in close future an abnormal number of potential "martyr" do to some 9/11 attentat, in general I try to be pragmatic.