Ok It happened again to me.

[simshell]

Mosquito has that same thing the P38 has only worse maybe some people should try flying it some time?

[Kweassa]

I can recover it with 1000 feet loss,

 Turn off the engine at the opposite side of the flat spin.

 If the P-38 spins left, turn off engine 2(starboard). If P-38 spins right, turn off engine 1(port)

{edit} Well, maybe I was lucky that time. It takes about 4~5k average for me...

[Widewing]

You can watch a short film of the Mossie's strange stall behavior and read what I think is wrong with the FM in this thread.

My regards,

Widewing

[Raptor]

Originally posted by Kweassa
I can recover it with 1000 feet loss,

 Turn off the engine at the opposite side of the flat spin.

 If the P-38 spins left, turn off engine 2(starboard). If P-38 spins right, turn off engine 1(port)

{edit} Well, maybe I was lucky that time. It takes about 4~5k average for me...

and if your not spinning at all? In my lil story about the zeke encounter, I was not spinning at all, just simply falling.

[Stang]

It sure was a wierd looking spin.  After he entered it I came around and flew by, thinking half his plane had to be missing to be doing those gymnastics, but the plane looked almost intact.  I wonder if the force of shells hitting the plane + the sudden hii G maneuver could be the culpirt?  Or is the force of shells striking the airframe even modeled?   All I know is it was the strangest stall I've seen Morph.  

[killnu]

hmm, ive been in stall, had airspeed at 200, but i was just fallin straight down, like a sheet of paper, no thrust in any direction. is this the same type of stall you talking about?

[Raptor]

yep. Stall buzzer wasnt going off either.

[Kweassa]

I think falling flat on the belly, is possible.

 Ofcourse, just exactly what one has to do, to get in such a state, I have no idea(well, I do have an idea, but not straightened out yet).

 ..

 So I think there are two questions we're asking here:


1) Just how much does the benevolent characteristics of the P-38, help in resisting fatal spins?

2) Is the kind of stall we see in AH, possible in real life? Or is it due to limitations of computer generated FM?

 ...

 Actually, when I was testing the flat spin out myself, I kept having trouble because no matter what I did, it won't fall into that certain spin(I know what it is you talk of). In most cases, even in flat spins, the nose naturally came under the horizon, and a slight push on the stick, rudder work, and perhaps engine control, was enough to recover very quickly.

 I don't remember exactly how, but in certain cases the flat spin would start out with the nose above horizon, and then, in that state, even when the nose came down it wouldn't recover - this one's almost impossible to get out without alt.

 It could be because the FM has troubles with two-engined planes, and if it is indeed that.. maybe it'll be fixed soon(or perhaps, in the worst case scenario, it may be something that cannot be fixed at all...!).

 But whatever its cause, I definately don't think its a common thing to happen.

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by mars01
Slap your scenario sounds like an induced flat spin.  You were slow nose up.  When you kicked the rudder, what did your nose do?  Did you try to keep it up with further backpressure or let it drop?

If you tried to hold it up you are basically rotating the tail around the nose with yaw and at low speed this would initiate the flat spin, especially if your inertia is still moving in the opposite direction i.e.  before you kicked the rudder.


One thing I have noticed while practicing aerobatic maneuvers in the TA, is consecutive snap rolls will put me into an uncontrollable flat spin in the F6F, LA7 and P47.

I also notice the blurb talks about stalls and not flat spins.  Two very different animals.

Nope ... I was nose up going to the right ... I pushed stick forward and started to bring nose down and kicked rudder to bring it around to the right quicker all while pushing stick forward.

I was still over 200mph when the stall happened and when I was in this wicked spin I was nose down, cause all I could see was water.

[airbumba]

I doubt anyone's 'flat stalling'. In RL if that happens, u might as well get out walk down the wing and start jumping up and down.

The odds of recovery are about 99% against u. If it's even possible at all. a ballistic chute would help .

[Overlag]

Originally posted by airbumba
I doubt anyone's 'flat stalling'. In RL if that happens, u might as well get out walk down the wing and start jumping up and down.

The odds of recovery are about 99% against u. If it's even possible at all. a ballistic chute would help .

ive had one *almost* perfect (is that the right word? lol) flat spin in a P38.

ive also had some wierd moments in the Mossie too.

im not going to fly them now, not untill they get fixed, or HTC say its "normal"

[Urchin]

I used to get into flat spins on a pretty regular basis in the 110G2 in AH1.  Serious flat spins, like in Topgun...  

From the inside, you are going around in a circle, seems to alternate slightly nose high and then nose low.  Absolutely nothing I could do to get out of it, I was chopping throttle, dropping flaps & gear, mashing the rudder and stick back & forth.  None of it did a thing.. I'd fall pretty much straight down and go boom.  

I used to be able to do it pretty much on demand, but I'd do it by accident while fighting.. get slow (like 100 mph), get the nose up, then try to use the rudder to kind of flop the nose over on someone for a snapshot.  Well, the nose would flop over, but then it'd keep going and there wasn't anything I could do to get out of it.  

It sounds similar to what is happening in the P-38, at least some of the stories so far.