Author Topic: !!!!!!!!NEW Solomons Map, Friday In the CT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Read 3283 times)

Karnak · « **Reply #45 on:** March 06, 2003, 07:44:08 PM »

I'm heating up some extra sake. We're going to need it.

Where are those blasted A6M3 shipments? If we could get our A6M3s we'd push the Yankees back to their precious Corsairs with haste.

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brady · « **Reply #46 on:** March 06, 2003, 09:17:11 PM »

Well Squire if you read through the post you will see whear the evidance that you quote is misleading, and after checking those scans aganst some of my refrence sources which I posted it is still misleading. All I am saying is that acording to what I have read the Wildcat in AH is "optimasticaly" modled and preforms better than it should bellow 5K and Handels better than one might expect based on anidatoal evidance and on the tests.

Batz · « **Reply #47 on:** March 06, 2003, 10:05:30 PM »

Sakai said he got most of his kills with 7mm and the claim that the f4f had a 3/2 k/d vrs the a6m2 has been proven false. The most exceptable number now is 1 to 1 but that is questioned.

The reason so many view the f4f as having better performance is because most try to fly the a6m2 like a spit. Fast dives and hard breaks at speed above 275. Thats the complete wrong way to fight in an a6m2. Its an enegry fighter and you need to manage your e through out the fight. Not just to avoid getting to slow but keeping your speed at the point where you have optimum manuverability.

Ideally you would want your a6m2s to come in no more then 2 - 3k above then enemy and use short sprint dives when making a guns pass. You need "trick" the f4fs into a turn fight. You can use your climb and slighhtly better speed to conserve your energy.

You must never dive to pursue an enemy or dive to escape. Above 300 the a6m2 is a brick and the f4f can not only outroll you but out turn you in general.

The problem I have with the a6m2 f4f matchup in ah is the weak guns on the a6m2 and the spray n pray factor of the f4f, which is just like every other 50 cal armed plane in ah.

Entering a fight with an f4f I am confident I can out fly him. But the f4f is overly tough and/or the a6m2 cannon are overly weak. I have run up kills streaks as high as 8 in the a6m2 but thats not evidence of anything.

In a 1 on 1 or 2 on 1 the weak guns dont matter that much because when you saddle up and you have time to get kills. What happens in a multi-bogie enviroment is you rarely ever get enough time in the gun site to get properly aimed hits. Pilot kills, horizontal areas like the wings and elevators and the best places to bring down an f4f. But the average player doesnt have the gunnery skills to get these areas sited while trying to stay saddled up and track the other nmes around him.

Axioms when flying the a6m2

1. Manage your energy and speed carefully
2. Use your climb to escape when possible.
3. Never dive to escape/pursue an enemy
4. Conserve your ammo, fire the cannon and mg seperate
5. Target the horizontal areas and cockpit.
6. If you think you are close enough you arent, get in closer
7. Never assume you are out of gun range. If a bad guy is behind you he will spray and spray.
8. SA SA SA

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #48 on:** March 06, 2003, 10:25:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Batz

Axioms when flying the a6m2

1. Manage your energy and speed carefully
2. Use your climb to escape when possible.
3. Never dive to escape/pursue an enemy
4. Conserve your ammo, fire the cannon and mg seperate
5. Target the horizontal areas and cockpit.
6. If you think you are close enough you arent, get in closer
7. Never assume you are out of gun range. If a bad guy is behind you he will spray and spray.
8. SA SA SA

Thats exactly what I do, in fact I was actually surprised that I was the vertical e-fighter the first time I flew the a6m2 in CT vs f4f4 during the inital burma scenario a while back.

ergRTC · « **Reply #49 on:** March 07, 2003, 08:35:50 AM »

there is no other 'non uber' plane I would want in a 2 on 1 situation than an a6m2.

Every time this comes up, you guys squeak and moan about it.

If you are flying low and slow in anything but an la7 you dont have a whole lot of hope against anything.

I know I will be flying the a6m2 in non squad times, so I look forward to flying with you cry babies.

Of course, I dont mind having 1 kill or 1 assist sorties as long as I stay alive. I know most other guys dont like that kind of flying so the zero is not for them.

Historically, few pilots had more the 5-10 kills in an entire tour of duty. Expecting the planes they flew to do more than that in 1 afternoon is pushing it dont you think?

ergRTC · « **Reply #50 on:** March 07, 2003, 08:36:56 AM »

and climb

Eagler · « **Reply #51 on:** March 07, 2003, 10:05:12 AM »

ergRTC

where did you get the screenshot from, wheres that tool?

HFMudd · « **Reply #52 on:** March 07, 2003, 10:10:48 AM »

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Historically, few pilots had more the 5-10 kills in an entire tour of duty. Expecting the planes they flew to do more than that in 1 afternoon is pushing it dont you think?

As a rule their carriers wern't parked just off the shore of active enemy airfields either. Also, the pilots tended to be a little more concerned about their personal kill:death ratio than we are.

Do I do get, and agree with, the point you are attempting to make.

ergRTC · « **Reply #53 on:** March 07, 2003, 10:23:45 AM »

You mean they were not score potatos?

That carrier parking is a major beef of mine too. I thought they were going to do something about the shorelines in the new slot. I havent been able to fly it yet, but I hope they have.

That is a great tool and you can find it here. Sometimes the image dissappears but all you need to do is scroll the page a little.

http://www.jannousiainen.net/online_sims/jg_4/index.htm

The climb and speed comps, are at the bottom of the page.

J_A_B · « **Reply #54 on:** March 07, 2003, 01:35:48 PM »

Be aware that those java-based charts do not always reflect actual performance in AH, although they're close enough to be useful.

J_A_B

brady · « **Reply #55 on:** March 07, 2003, 01:50:15 PM »

All the bases have Shore Batries so CV parking wll not be a s rampant and their arer only 2 CV's one for each side.

Squire · « **Reply #56 on:** March 07, 2003, 01:56:56 PM »

Batz, I agree that there is always "fudge room" in any historic k/d claims.

However, the IJN claims have been seen by historians as certainly no less questionable than the USN/USMC claims of the day.

In any case, the evidence is there that the F4Fs "gave as good as they got" in most encounters vs the A6M2, and it wasnt because the Zeros were outnumbered, because they were not.

Coral Sea, Midway, Wake, Guadacanal, the F4F units had plenty of opposition from CV and land based A6M2 units, not to mention the attack a/c.

If it was such a heavy useless POS tub, as some are keen to make it out, why wasnt it swept from the sky? Nobody seems to be able to answer that one.

HFMudd · « **Reply #57 on:** March 07, 2003, 02:53:41 PM »

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All the bases have Shore Batries so CV parking wll not be a s rampant and their arer only 2 CV's one for each side.

I do the "Dance of Joy." My coworkers look at me oddly.

Löwe · « **Reply #58 on:** March 07, 2003, 06:17:54 PM »

Crybabies??? I'll have you know I'm a Luftwhiner now!!

Erg you attitude is way over modeled....

ergRTC · « **Reply #59 on:** March 07, 2003, 06:55:19 PM »

hehe lowe.

just got back from 2 zero sorties.

first sortie, way high p40e handed me my ass.

2nd sortie 2 f4fs down, died landing crippled zero