F8F-1 Bearcat

[indian]

Would anybody like to see the F8F-1 Bearcat in Aces High. Just recieved some info from the Navy museum and it is an awsome plane. Th person that sent it to me was an actual F8F pilot from the WWII era. He said it was great up to 10k with a ceiling of 30k. It had awsome climb and a 421 mph top speed. Sounds like a fun plane to have be good to battle a TA-152.

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Tommy (INDIAN) Toon

http://www.geocities.com/~tltoon

[Bad Omen]

As I remember, the F8f was designed as a response to the FW-190, and incorporated many of its characteristics. They used the captured FW that was landed in England by mistake. Jeff Ethell's review said it was beautiful to fly.

However it only carried in its original form 4 - .50 cal mg's. Later(all post-war I believe) versions got 6 - .50's or 4 - 20mm's. Also, I don't *think* it ever saw combat. I know it was delivered to the navy but I believe the CV they were on was just steaming to the front when the war ended.

[shdo]

Both the F8F Bearcat and F7F Tigercat were in squadron workups for the Invasion of Japan *I think*. The F7F's were enroute to Okinowa/Japan when the surrender was signed. I do not know if the F8Fs were as far along as the F7Fs were.

shdo

[Windle]

Not to wish for the unnecessary deaths of about 1 million Allies but I can't help imagining the images of a Japan mainland invasion with F4U-4 Corsairs, F8F-1 Bearcats and F7F Tigercats flying alongside each other! Most likely gorund attack would have been their primary role but it definately would have left a major difference in the opinions surrounding WWII aviation had the war dragged out another 9 months to a year. Judging from the mentality of the Japanese it would have taken at least that long to begin to dent the defenses on the mainland. No doubt the F8F would have emerged the undesputed top ranked badass US fighter of the Second World War. And that's coming from an absolute F4U obsessor!    

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Windle
*Future* Aces High VF-17 'Jolly Rogers' 8X

[This message has been edited by Windle (edited 08-13-1999).]

[indian]

My favorite plane is the F4U Corsair also but would like to have more american made planes available to fly in the game.
The F8F-1 had 2100 horse power
421 mph max at 19000
initial climb rate of 4570 ft/min
4 .50 cal machine guns
max altitude of 38700 ft.

One quote from the info that was sent to me
" We took advantage of any spare time away from being entertained royally by the city to enjoy flying and to prepare for a fly-over. To the north of New Orleans we discovered an area used by Army P-51s and we had a field day, everyday, with them. There wasn't a P-51 there that we couldnt beat in a dogfight...and we did it for four days. Im only sorry that we didnt do a victory roll by thier tower, but they sure got the message."

Sound like a dogfighter good moves wimpy guns. Great Plane for Aces High

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Tommy (INDIAN) Toon

http://www.geocities.com/~tltoon

[Tigger]

Pity the F7F never saw service in WWII, found a little data on it, I'd love to take on those swarms of Spits this cats armament  

From all the pics I found looks like Grumman never did learn about decent 6 views.


Yeah, yeah, I know I've killed another thread.

Grumman F7FTigercat

Type: Fighter
Crew: 1, Pilot
Armament: four 20mm cannon, four .50 cal machine guns, optional torpedo, 1000 lbs. bombs

Specifications
 Length:         45' 4" (13.82 m)
 Height:         16' 7" (5.5 m)
 Wingspan:       51' 6" (1.68 m)
 Wing area:      455 sq. ft (42.27 sq.  m)
 Empty Weight:   16270 lbs (7378 kg)
 Gross Weight:   25720 lbs

Propulsion
 No. of Engines: 2
 Powerplant: Pratt & Whitney R-2800-34W
 Horsepower: 2100 hp each

Performance
 Range: 1200 miles (1932 km)
 Cruise Speed:  222 mph (357 km/hr)
 Max Speed: 435 mph (700 km/hr)
 Climb: 4530 ft/min (1380.68 m/min)
 Ceiling: 40700 ft (12405 m)

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[kkoori]

Hi Guys,

If the inclusion of the Bearcat, Tigercat etc is in "Aces High" then it would only be fair that other "1946" (i.e. aircraft too late for WWII) aircraft be modelled as well.

That would include a plethora of German jets, the Pfeil, Japanese props and jets, British and Commonwealth aircraft (Kangaroo, Vampire etc) etc

I'm sure *many* of the German '1946' aircraft would give your much talked about F7F etc a definate run for its money!!  


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P/O kkoori
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[funked]

Hell just put in the German stuff that actually fought, instead of these US hangar queens.  Me 262 He 162 Me 163 Do 335 Ta 152 the list goes on.  

The Do 335 probably didn't actually fight, but the others saw combat and would blow the doors off those silly blue planes.  

[This message has been edited by funked (edited 08-14-1999).]

[joe]

Basically, no..... WWII only please.


joe

[indian]

This is a Company with one game they could later bring in a jet arena that goes from WWII to korea or what ever. The Bearcat was a 1944 plane thta was on its way to combat just as the war ended. It was not a preproduction model that was made after the war. We dont need jets in Aces High but any prop job would do and if those german planes can blow the doors off these blue boys then that make for good fun right. This is a game not recreating history. If we wanted to recreate history wheres our radar for the night fighters some bombers had radar also. Lets not get stuck on history lets all suggest what whould make this a very fun experience.

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Tommy (INDIAN) Toon

http://www.geocities.com/~tltoon

[oooo 111th Fighter Group]

Indian, please don't take offense because none is intended.  Take your idea to it's logical conclusion. If you have an "Uber" plane in the arena then that's what EVERYONE will fly.  
  It's seems like every other year someone "Discovers" the F8F or the P-47M or that Hotrod Corsair and thinks that no one else has this knowledge and if they could just get one in the game THEY would be the only person that would  fly it  Sorry buddy but it's not gonna happen  
    Like I said, no offense.

Salute!

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[indian]

No offense taken. Ive known about the F8F for quite some time now with only for fifties it whould not be that big of an ubber plane as you put it. My suggestion was not to get stuck in WWII but to add some realy good planes to Aces High all the other planes have been modeled to death by other games. I
would like to see some new one and some better performing ones if these could be in a different arena thats fine with me. This is Aces High not Aces of WWII. After all it was an F4u Corsair that scored the first kill of a Mig15 was it not. So Ubber plane or not not everyone will fly it and it can and will be killed by lesser planes. My all time favorite plane is the F4U Corsair not he F8F Bearcat I assume that the F4U will make the game so I was just suggesting another great plane.

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Tommy (INDIAN) Toon

http://www.geocities.com/~tltoon

[Bad Omen]

All though I would like to see the planes that actually see combat done first, it would be fun to eventually see a few of the planes that did not make it to combat. Maybe if a RPS type set up is done, they could have a few days of "WWII-1946" which would be a what-if type setup. Could have the F8f, F7f, F4u-4b, Shinden(sp?), Do-335, Horta, etc. Kind of an AOTP-WWII1946 meets SWOTL.

Again I repeat: AFTER they do a large contingent of planes that saw action. Otherwise there will be a ton of griping.

[Windle]

This might not be bad but it in no way should be done in the same arenas as the WWII planes. If the 'MA' arenas were tainted by the post war 'fantasy' plane set the lines between the two would soon blur and dilute the pure WWII experience. When I fly WWII I don't want any ongoing comparisons of how "if I had my Bearcat I'd reign supreme." It shouldn't be a factor. If we want the RPS to slip into Korea that would be a whole different ball game - and not one I would be too interested before the WWII situation was honed to perfection (i.e. at least 200 of the most utilized WWII planes modeled).  

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Windle
*Future* Aces High VF-17 'Jolly Rogers' 8X

[-blk--]

  I dunno Windle, I think an RPS that rolled into korea would be pretty snazzy.  And I'm not sure we need to get all the WWII aircraft in.  In fact, I could even let the P-51K slip, but just maybe...

  But you're right, finish the second world war, then do the really cool stuff (sorry, but the Super Spad is infinately cooler than anything, save the Tu-2, in WWII).

-blk--  <JG5>