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Offline Hangtime

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« Reply #30 on: March 08, 2003, 07:21:26 PM »
We've been 'ugly americans', 'decadent cowboys' and the 'great satans' to the world for the last 50 years.

France can bask in the disgust and ire of angry americans and I hope they enjoy the villification. Frankly, I see little in modern french diplomacy, politics or rehtoric for americans to be charmed with. I appreciate their assistance during our revolution, i would expect they appreciate the payback in two world wars and one marshall plan.

regardless, next time; the loser of the next european war can keep france.
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« Reply #31 on: March 08, 2003, 07:29:36 PM »
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regardless, next time; the loser of the next european war can keep france.


Jeez, Hang... that would turn it into a no surrender, last man standing death match.

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« Reply #32 on: March 08, 2003, 07:36:52 PM »
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Jeez, Hang... that would turn it into a no surrender, last man standing death match.


europe should be so lucky.
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« Reply #33 on: March 08, 2003, 08:19:16 PM »
interesting about Indo-china...

I hate aand would personally mame-kill-destroy..the French-Vietamnes and Japanese.peopl eresposible .for there part in that toejam..

I have a special place for the people wjo tortured and killed our POWs...

I fukn hate them..spit


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« Reply #34 on: March 08, 2003, 09:17:44 PM »
Long before America's war in Vietnam, General Claire Chennault's 14th Air Force conducted a savage war in the skies over French Indochina, as Vietnam was called during World War II.   It was a battle fought largely without publicity, hidden in the shadows of more titanic struggles that captured the headlines of the war: Guadalcanal, Midway, El Alamein, Stalingrad, Normandy, or the Battle of the Bulge.   By January 1945, as far as the American public was concerned, the life-and-death struggle in Indochina was literally reduced to funny pages in the strip, "Terry and the Pirates," which ironically credited the Navy for the fighting in the French colony.

      The war in Indochina was made more dangerous and tragic by the actions of the Vichy French Indochinese colonial authorities who willingly aided the Japanese war effort militarily as well as economically.   As part of a deliberate policy of collaboration with the Axis, the Vichy French government of Marshal Philippe Petain had allowed the Japanese to establish military bases in northern Indochina, or Tonkin, in September 1949, in order to attack the Nationalists in China.   Vichy stood aside a year later, in July 1941, when the Japanese moved into southern Indochina.

      Indochina's collaboration went even further.   In March 1942, four airmen and an army engineer reached Tourane (item 1 on small insert map), now Do Nang, by launch from the Philippines.   The four were turned over to the Japanese on the orders of Indochina's governor general, Vice Admiral Jean Decoux. Four of these men toiled for the rest of the war on the "Railroad of Death" in Thailand, made famous by Pierre Boulle's novel, Bridge Over the River Kwai. (Free French Lieutenant Boulle was himself one of Decoux's prisoners after he was captured trying to establish a resistance organization in the colony.)   The fifth, a fighter pilot from the l6th Pursuit Squadron, eventually escaped and reached China safely the day the war ended.   On May 20, 1942, a Flying Tiger was downed over Lao Kay, French Indochina (item 2 on small insert map).   The pilot, Louis Bishop, too was surrendered on the admiral's orders to the Japanese for interrogation.   Rumored to have been beheaded, Bishop instead was sent to POW camp in occupied China; he too managed to escape two years later.   In June, two British soldiers escaped from a Japanese POW camp on the banks of the Saigon River and reached a French army camp.   On Decoux's command, they were returned to the Japanese and beheaded.   A year later, in April, 1943, a Dutch POW escaped from a Japanese ship anchored off Cape Saint Jacques and turned himself over to Vichy authorities, seeking their protection.   He too was returned on Decoux's orders and executed.

      Thereafter the Japanese demanded that all allied prisoners captured by Decoux's forces be surrendered on the spot without the formality of obtaining the admiral's agreement first.   At the end of August 1943, enraged at the beginning of a bombing campaign in Tonkin by the 308th Bombardment Group based in China, Decoux accepted the Japanese demands and issued orders to his administrators and military commanders to surrender all captured non-Asiatics to the Japanese on the spot.

Martin Mickelson, 'A History of French Indochina'
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« Reply #35 on: March 08, 2003, 09:31:56 PM »
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Originally posted by BGBMAW
interesting about Indo-china...

I hate aand would personally mame-kill-destroy..the French-Vietamnes and Japanese.peopl eresposible .for there part in that toejam..

I have a special place for the people wjo tortured and killed our POWs...

I fukn hate them..spit


Love
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« Reply #36 on: March 09, 2003, 06:28:00 AM »
Tronski about the free french what I know won't fit in a standard post on this BBS and what I ignore won't fit either  ...

as a sample :

- Groupe de chasse Normandie-niemen

Mission de guerre_(war mission): 5 240
Victoires_(victory) : 273 avions ennemis abattus, 36 probables, 45 endommagés (damaged)
Pilotes engagés_: 96
Pilotes tués ou disparus_(pilots KIA/MIA): 42

- Groupe de chasse Ile de France
Mission de guerre_: 6 029 - 8 410 heures de vol de guerre
Victoires_: 35 avions ennemis abattus, 6 probables, 35 endommagés
Pilotes engagés_: 78
Pilotes tués ou disparus_: 37

- Groupe de chasse Alsace
Mission de guerre_: 4 500
Victoires_: 32 avions ennemis abattus, 4 probables, 14 endommagés
Pilotes engagés_: 87
Pilotes tués ou disparus_: 21

- Groupe de bombardement Lorraine
Mission de guerre_: 3 500 dont 900 en Afrique et 260 en Angleterre
Heures de vol en opérations__: 5 200
3 000 tonnes de bombes larguées dont 500 en Afrique et 2 500 sur le front occidental
Victoires_: 2 avions ennemis abattus, 3 endommagés et un sous-marin coulé
Le groupe Lorraine a perdu 35 avions
113 morts, 41 blessés, 19 prisonniers

- Groupe de bombardement Bretagne
Mission de guerre_: 21
Heures de vol__: 4 504
Nombre d’équipages engagés_: 36
Pertes__: 5 tués, 3 prisonniers


I don't know were to point you for an english book all my reference are in french.
After a quick search I've found this (but I don't know if it's a good site)
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/France.htm

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« Reply #37 on: March 09, 2003, 09:30:44 AM »
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Netherlands / 50,000 / 23rd SS Div., 34th SS Div.


U don't have to be from any specific country to be a collaborateur.
Coward or Hero.

50000 is a lot for such a small country i live we might have about 9 or 10 million citizens in that time.

But a bit understandable our national song "ben ik van duits bloed" means i am from german blood.

Many dutch thought the germans wouldn't be so hardish against us. Our language is very close to german and our Prins Bernard was even a german.
But he went to berlin in a mossie as a pathfinder for a bunch of lancaster destroying His homeland. :)


Many learned the hard lesson and went in resistance as well.
It would be wrong to judge on them coz off 50 000 collaborators.


What it's all about is ,it is not what the other will do but what would u do.

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« Reply #38 on: March 09, 2003, 10:07:38 AM »
It seems the Iraqs have learned well the lessons of the French in WW2.

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« Reply #39 on: March 09, 2003, 10:32:31 AM »
Totally discounting the cheap, gratuitous French slam that introduces it, that article is both sad and funny at the same time.

Makes you feel pretty sorry for the common Iraqi. Makes you smile at their eagerness to have a chance at starting over in a somewhat more "normal" society.

I don't think this will play out the way anyone expects; after all, the first casualty in war is the plan. It may well be mostly very easy. Undoubtedly there will be some parts that are very, very tough.
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« Reply #40 on: March 09, 2003, 11:24:19 AM »
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Totally discounting the cheap, gratuitous French slam that introduces it, ........


hehe  

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« Reply #41 on: March 09, 2003, 01:32:12 PM »
Habu the one track broken record. You're posts remind me of listening to Barbara Streisand under water when she's suffering from a cold. Painful, repetitive and empty. Skip a little, brother.
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« Reply #42 on: March 09, 2003, 01:37:26 PM »
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You're posts remind me of listening to Barbara Streisand under water when she's suffering from a cold. Painful, repetitive and empty.

Amazingly enough, that is also a perfect description of what it is like to listen to blitz and straffo.

We should start some pro/anti-Israel thread soon Dowding and teach these tiresome kids how to have a proper argument.

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« Reply #43 on: March 09, 2003, 01:58:26 PM »
Why hortlund ,we both know how it will end :

Hortlund : let Tsahal kill all those Palestinian.
straffo : Israely should not behave like the Nazi

Hortlund : Settler are right because there was no Palestinian state before ans so they don't exist (at least on my map).
straffo : Israely should not behave like the Nazi

Hortlund : let Tsahal kill all those Palestinian.
straffo : Israely should not behave like the Nazi

Hortlund : Palestinian danced in the street the 9/11.
straffo : and so some Pakistani.

Hortlund :  There is not palestinian state.
straffo : But the Palestinian still exist.

Hortlund : Isreal is right to make a complete blocus of the palestinian.
straffo : Israely should not behave like the Nazi



do you want more ?

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« Reply #44 on: March 09, 2003, 02:06:08 PM »
See the post directly above yours...