Author Topic: Free 6 min video of guncamera footage.... (Read 885 times)

hazed- · « **on:** March 07, 2003, 04:33:29 PM »

heres the link: scroll down a bit for free clip:

http://www.planestuff.com/planestuff/lufguncamfoo.html

cool film the two numbers are when they begin firing to when they break off the attacks in meters.

Midnight · « **Reply #1 on:** March 07, 2003, 05:06:25 PM »

You see that last clip with the 110-G2 on that B17?

He was pounding on that Fortress and it kept on flying. In AH, a 110 with cannons at that range on a B17 = dead B17 in about 20 rounds.

Every time I see these videos, I think more and more how under-modeled the bomber toughness is in AH.

The drones are the easiest kills. I can routinely kill B17 drones with less than 40 .50 cal rounds from my P-51--- Hit them and they explode like they were filled with Hydrogen.

BGBMAW · « **Reply #2 on:** March 07, 2003, 05:13:31 PM »

yes midnight i hate tht modeling as i fly 17's alot...

sux

BiGB

mia389 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 07, 2003, 07:44:03 PM »

I noticed the 190 vs P51 film, looked like 190 snaprolled it pretty good. That last film that 110 sure came close to hitting that B17. Would of been funny if the B17 pushed foward on the controls hehe. Great films keep em coming hazed, I seen some you put awhile ago too

Hangtime · « **Reply #4 on:** March 07, 2003, 08:57:29 PM »

You watched 10 guys being chewed to shreds in that B-17.

every time i see that film my stomach lurches.

poor bastards.

Terror · « **Reply #5 on:** March 07, 2003, 10:47:52 PM »

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Originally posted by Midnight
You see that last clip with the 110-G2 on that B17?

He was pounding on that Fortress and it kept on flying. In AH, a 110 with cannons at that range on a B17 = dead B17 in about 20 rounds.

Every time I see these videos, I think more and more how under-modeled the bomber toughness is in AH.

The drones are the easiest kills. I can routinely kill B17 drones with less than 40 .50 cal rounds from my P-51--- Hit them and they explode like they were filled with Hydrogen.

You think anyone was left alive in that plane? Even if anyone was, that plane was not making it home. I think you all are looking at the EXCEPTION rather than what was normal.

I have seen AH bombers soak up ten 30mm hits and keep flying and I have seen AH bombers blow up from two 50cal hits. I would say that the AH bombers are pretty balanced from a air to air damage and defense point of view. The bombers actually being effective is debatable because of the tricky calibration on the bomb sight.

Terror

wetrat · « **Reply #6 on:** March 07, 2003, 10:51:09 PM »

I remember someone posted that footage on here in October or November.. still good stuff, though

I think I have a .wmv of it on my computer somewhere.

Midnight · « **Reply #7 on:** March 08, 2003, 12:05:34 AM »

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Originally posted by Terror
You think anyone was left alive in that plane? Even if anyone was, that plane was not making it home. I think you all are looking at the EXCEPTION rather than what was normal.

Not saying anything about who lived or died in that incident. The only point I am trying to make is that major coponents fall off far too easily in AH as compatred to what I have seen of B17 damages on film.

When you see these films of LW firing dozens of cannon rounds into B17s and they keep going, it really makes you wonder what makes up the AH damage model when a single fighter can kill 2 and sometimes ALL 3 B17s in a formation on a single pass.

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #8 on:** March 08, 2003, 02:48:27 AM »

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He was pounding on that Fortress and it kept on flying. In AH, a 110 with cannons at that range on a B17 = dead B17 in about 20 rounds.

You don't see B17's turnfighting or looping in those guncams either. Nor do you see B17's surgically snapping your wing off from distances up to 1.5.. The vulnerability is balanced to the excessive leathality of the planes. I'd hope it was made realistically though.. Gunners should be very inaccurate and die easily. Would be fun to eliminate them first and then chew the mother to pieces.

Currently nothing smaller than 20mm direct hit ever kills gunners - heck they sometimes survive even that maybe it takes several hits.. Then even after you possibly manage to kill the gunners the b17 can outmanouver you at high altitudes enough to get a shot with the remaining guns...

Zanth · « **Reply #9 on:** March 08, 2003, 03:28:59 AM »

You don't see B17's turnfighting or looping in those guncams either. Nor do you see B17's surgically snapping your wing off from distances up to 1.5..

I could be way off base, but I sense some hostility here

Zanth · « **Reply #10 on:** March 08, 2003, 04:04:39 AM »

Puts war into perspective. Imagine this was a shot of Columbia breakup instead. Imagine a dozen Columbias a day? Not making any sort of polticak statement, it just struck me that the crew compliment was about the same.

If I fly bomber in a event I will have a hard time not thinking of this picture.

Manedew · « **Reply #11 on:** March 08, 2003, 12:38:22 PM »

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Originally posted by wetrat
I remember someone posted that footage on here in October or November.. still good stuff, though I think I have a .wmv of it on my computer somewhere.

Ya this film gets posted every 4-6 months

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #12 on:** March 08, 2003, 03:23:20 PM »

Actually none of the bombers were actually hit with that many 20mm rounds. Even the worst one at the end has very few actual hits and few if any of them are repeated concentrated hits in any one area. The difference in AH is that you would hit that bomber with much more concentrated burts of fire in any one area. In fact I'd say the AH bomber takes the same amount of damage if the cannon hits are placed one by one here and there and a bit over there and here and so on as in the last film.

BTW I have the whole guncam film on VHS and none of the bombers are ever lit up as bad as we do them in AH.

Gunnery is the issue in AH, IMHO.

Fridaddy · « **Reply #13 on:** March 08, 2003, 11:54:24 PM »

Every time I see this kind of clip I remember.

They did it for real....
So we can pretend!

Every time we fly we should honor them.

VGhost · « **Reply #14 on:** March 12, 2003, 01:10:52 PM »

Everybody notices Something Different I suppose. I noticed most clips had a lot more weather that the main arena:cool: