Author Topic: Balance Inquiry (Read 1961 times)

Machine · « **Reply #15 on:** March 08, 2003, 07:08:38 PM »

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Originally posted by aknimitz

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Holy cow Machine ... resorting to name calling?

Good Grief, what's your problem, I just stated what you were acting like. If I were going to call you a name, it would really be a choice one, you must know this by now!:p

aknimitz · « **Reply #16 on:** March 08, 2003, 07:09:26 PM »

Squire, completely agree, as long as we have 2 squads to counter. The Ta152 was not out yet, but the Dora and Me262 were...and we only have received 12 262s.

S!
Nim

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Hehe machine - S! Not my intention to argue with you.

Machine · « **Reply #17 on:** March 08, 2003, 07:15:24 PM »

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Originally posted by aknimitz

Hehe machine - S! Not my intention to argue with you.

This is a good thing, because you are completely wrong! Thanks

Squire · « **Reply #18 on:** March 08, 2003, 07:24:00 PM »

I see your point, and I cant say it has no merit, but every setup wont be an exact matchup.

The LW had plenty of 190A-8s and 190Fs in late 1944, some Doras, not many. Some 262s sure.

Lets not forget setups where the ac types have favored the LW, there have been plenty where they get mainly high end ac vs Allies. Both sides have their "upscale" events. Fair is fair.

Im not sure what a Tempest does to a 262, wave as it blows by?

they are hardly equal.

Anyways good fights in frame 1 ~~Cya all up.~~

mia389 · « **Reply #19 on:** March 08, 2003, 07:33:20 PM »

I was allied and I didnt have any chance, my P47 vs 4 109s and 3 190s. Perhaps them 109s and 190s should of been after the tempest not are P47s

. I still had fun though, was hoping to straff a convoy or maybe a chute

Machine · « **Reply #20 on:** March 08, 2003, 07:47:28 PM »

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Originally posted by aknimitz

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Holy cow Machine ... resorting to name calling? I didnt take anything personal. And I know that in your mind an objective inquiry is whining ... but alas I digress.

You know I just re-read all the posts and upon looking back, it sures looks like whining was going on to me. Now that you mention it.

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I know that my particular squad ran into 10+ Tempests at approximately 30K ... and that another LW squad ran into approximately 10+ Tempests as well. That accounts for 20+ Tempests, and the only counter we (LW) have to use is 190A8s and 109G10s?

Was this a mistake providing allied squads with unlimited use of Tempests, or planned to allow two full squads use of Tempests? Given that my squad was restricted to 1 Me262, I suspect perhaps some of the allieds might have been restricted iN Tempest use?

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I stated an objective inquiry

This would have ended with how many planes vs how many planes!

But it looks like whining to me! Since you have the ability to read minds, I agree with you! BTW: I thought you were an attorney?
You got a new act? AKNimitz Mind Reader Open For Business!

Nash · « **Reply #21 on:** March 08, 2003, 09:27:17 PM »

Hey Nimitz or Curly, can you tell me what grid location (x.x.x) you were at when you ran into the temps?

It's completely unrelated to this thread... I'm just curious about something else.

Thanks!

daddog · « **Reply #22 on:** March 08, 2003, 10:08:14 PM »

Rgr nim I will check my mail.

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However, Pitting A8s/F8s against ponies, jugs, p38s, spit9s tempests and even mossies isn't remotely "balanced." That may well be what the LW had to field (in RL) ... dunno ... But, personally, I'm not interested in historical reenactments if they sacrifice the fun element.

Well I sure agree fun is a big element in these setup’s. Nim, curly, you both know I appreciate feed back. You both have been around a long time and I always respect your opinion. I have had my share of lousy setup’s and will again I am sure, but I think this is workable. Please realize that if I changed my setup for every 2 or 3 guys that did not agree with me I would be working every day to make changes. If half the other C.O.’s in Squad Operations piped in I certainly would consider making changes.

I will continue to remind Frame C.O.’s to use all their AC and not to favor one over the other.

~~And again thanks for you input.~~

Machine · « **Reply #23 on:** March 08, 2003, 11:25:02 PM »

Come to think of it, I think that is why the axis lost the war, we got better planes and good pilots! LOL

aknimitz · « **Reply #24 on:** March 08, 2003, 11:46:58 PM »

You are a special person, Machine.

Daddog, I understand and cannot thank you enough for responding to our questions and concerns. We very much appreciate all the hard work you and the other CM's put into these events for our pleasure.

S!

Nim

Machine · « **Reply #25 on:** March 09, 2003, 02:18:08 AM »

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Originally posted by aknimitz
You are a special person, Machine.

Gee, I wish I could say the same for you! But I can't!

If the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit!

ROFLMAO

AKcurly · « **Reply #26 on:** March 09, 2003, 03:25:17 AM »

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Originally posted by daddog
Rgr nim I will check my mail.

Well I sure agree fun is a big element in these setup’s. Nim, curly, you both know I appreciate feed back. You both have been around a long time and I always respect your opinion. I have had my share of lousy setup’s and will again I am sure, but I think this is workable. Please realize that if I changed my setup for every 2 or 3 guys that did not agree with me I would be working every day to make changes. If half the other C.O.’s in Squad Operations piped in I certainly would consider making changes.

I will continue to remind Frame C.O.’s to use all their AC and not to favor one over the other.

~~And again thanks for you input.~~

Good enough, Daddog. Appreciate the comments.

curly

Sixpence · « **Reply #27 on:** March 09, 2003, 04:32:40 AM »

I flew with a squad of spit14's. We escorted mossies. Mossies stayed low, we stayed semi high(around 10k) and forced them to come down.

Those who came low were slaughtered, we didn't lose a fighter our first flight(one damaged).

Maybe 1 squad tempests tops I say. Even if we flew spitIX's I think we would have been successful.

No D-9's?

Raubvogel · « **Reply #28 on:** March 10, 2003, 12:09:40 PM »

I'm Allied this frame, so no bias here. I totally agree with Nimitz and Curly. Yes, we are trying to "recreate" a scenario, but the bottom line is entertainment. Having unlimited Tempests is a little overboard to me. 190A8s, A5s, F8s are not even a close match for Tempests. Why not limit Tempests like 262s are limited? Maybe instead of 16 for the scenario, give them 25 to be split up amongst the frames or something? Just my 2 cents.

Holder3 · « **Reply #29 on:** March 10, 2003, 12:43:40 PM »

As I recall the 109s and 190s that were slaughtered by at least one squadron of Tempests (880 Fleet Air Arm) were low and slow as they had just finished bombing a factory group. We dropped on them from 20 and 30K like 16 tons of bricks. In that situation we could have been flying Typhoons at 10K against low and slow Ta-152s and probably still done in most of the Germans, simply because of our alt and speed advantages. I don't think in this particular fight the relative differences between the Tempest and the LW rides was much of a factor.

By the way, we did loose four pilots in that "scuffle", several by self-imposed augers (not used to the "hotness" of the Tempest) and several from the LW.

I can't say anything about the rest of the event, but anytime a squad gets caught with it's pants down (like the P-47s or the Fw-190s we caught), they will get spanked. And that has nothing to do with side-balancing, but more with the decisions of the side CO and the vagaries of war.