America Admits Torture Deaths

[davidpt40]

I'm still I'm still I'm still Jenny from the block

Used to have a little, now I have alot

I'm still I'm still I'm still Jenny from the block

[Hangtime]

there's a time and a place for everything.

even torture.

in fact, you may be a torturer.

i know i am. no question.

here's how i became a 'nazi' by straffo's definition.

my kid, at the time 13 was given drugs by my nephew, then 16. my kid overdosed.. and was in the hospital. it became important to determine just what those drugs were. it was also apparent my nephew was lying about giving my kid drugs. i grabbed the little toejam, tossed him into a wall, broke his nose and proceeded down the painfull path to doing the same to his arm. he told the truth post-haste. with the information i obtained, (it was PCP) the hospital was able to take the correct steps to care for my kid without further endangering her.

and yes, i'd do it again.

sorry dowding. i condone physical violence in pursuit timely information in circumstances where lives are at stake.. there IS a time and a place for torture.

[GRUNHERZ]

Yea Toad, I'm no longer sure its even worth it - but sometimes I cant help but to try.  The first time I came across this guy on the BBS he was praising Che Guevara and Castro as great leaders and now he proports to be against torture and human rights violations.  My best guess is he was a former (well thats questionable?) east german communist who was brainwashed to hate america at all costs no matter what.

Knowing how communist brainwashing starts out as i got the intial doses as a kid in grades 1-3 and preschool I cant help but try some more with him - but i do fear there is no hope. In fact I think you prolly cant reform them - they must decide to change and recognize the problem thmselves. Blitz seems not to fit that pattern of wanting to change..

[Hangtime]

i disagree grun. his noise is akin to the pinheads at PETA. you won't see those gutless weenies accosting a motorcycle club.. but they have no problem spray painting a blondes fur coat on 5th avenue.

it's fashionable to protest.. everybody wants to be an activist for some PC cause.. like whales and endangered gitmo bay spotted terrorists. put somebody in front of them that's willing to demonstrate first person darwinisim and they all become cowards.

like toad said, he's got all the balls of a drive-by activist.

[GRUNHERZ]

Well he said that he was from berlin, he once said he was on vacation in cuba during 1982 or so, he praises communits, he hates capitalism so I figure there is a good case he was east german communist brainwashed.

[Hangtime]

he's a 19 year old skinhead with a stud in his tounge.

[straffo]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
The French are nazis straffo, you have killed POW in every war since after the end of WW2 - you killed none during WW2 of course because you cowards didnt fight even to save your own country....  But after the AMERICANS, as in USA, as in AMREEKA also UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, or US as in GREAT SATAN, THE as in in no way france or having to do with the french cowards won WW2 for you and liberated france you had no disagreemint with murdering POWs to extract revennge for your own pity of having small noodlees and not fighting in the actuall war. So the french are like nazis because they killed POW after WW2, and in indochina, and in algeria, and in africa and everywhere else. Yes the french are excellent at killing unarmed men in handcuffs.
So you are nazis, and you straffo are a nazi too.  So is jacques chirac because he sold weapons to Hussein like the nazis sold weapons to murdering puppet regimes and they used them to slaughter innocent civilans just like the nazis.   So the french leader is a nazi,  yes chirac is hitler and by your support of chirac and saying she represents france and your and french peoples beliefs you are bunch of nazis.

Hips !
Drunk or what ?

You can have another beer on my account.

[straffo]

Originally posted by Hangtime
there's a time and a place for everything.

even torture.

in fact, you may be a torturer.

i know i am. no question.

here's how i became a 'nazi' by straffo's definition.

my kid, at the time 13 was given drugs by my nephew, then 16. my kid overdosed.. and was in the hospital. it became important to determine just what those drugs were. it was also apparent my nephew was lying about giving my kid drugs. i grabbed the little toejam, tossed him into a wall, broke his nose and proceeded down the painfull path to doing the same to his arm. he told the truth post-haste. with the information i obtained, (it was PCP) the hospital was able to take the correct steps to care for my kid without further endangering her.

and yes, i'd do it again.

sorry dowding. i condone physical violence in pursuit timely information in circumstances where lives are at stake.. there IS a time and a place for torture.

No Hangtime I don't consider you to be a Nazi.

I just said that your post sounded like a nazi one.


It's a bit different no ?

@GRUN I'm still trying to understand your post.

[GRUNHERZ]

I applied your principles straffo. If you do like a nazi then you are a nazi...

French murdered POWs right after WW2 - which is the same as murdering 6 million jews. So the French are Nazis.

French murdered POWs in all their colonial wars after WW2. So again you are Nazis.


Jacques Chirac was involved in selling weapons to Saddam Hussein. The Nazis sold weapons to their satelite regimes as well.  Both Saddam and the Nazi satelite states commited genocide against their own citizens. So by your rule of "do like nazi makes you a nazi"  we can conclude that Jacques Chirac is a Nazi.

So now that we establised Chirac is a Nazi according to straffos rules , lets see what straffo thinks about Chirac.  

In straffo's own words:

Mr. Chirac is protecting my interests.I will vote for Chirac next go round, if hes willing to run. I think he reflects my nation.

This means you are supporting a Nazi and would vote for him again - remember hitler was elected as well. This says your interests are supported by a Nazi. This says you think a Nazi reflects France correctly.

By all these then you too are a Nazi.  

So in conclusion:

diddly you straffo for muredeing 6 million jews and causing a war that killed 55 million people overall.

[straffo]

so you want a point to point rebutal ...

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I applied your principles straffo. If you do like a nazi then you are a nazi...

yep

French murdered POWs right after WW2 - which is the same as murdering 6 million jews. So the French are Nazis.

hu ?

French murdered POWs in all their colonial wars after WW2. So again you are Nazis.

hu ? again ?

Jacques Chirac was involved in selling weapons to Saddam Hussein. The Nazis sold weapons to their satelite regimes as well.  Both Saddam and the Nazi satelite states commited genocide against their own citizens. So by your rule of "do like nazi makes you a nazi"  we can conclude that Jacques Chirac is a Nazi.

Rotfl
A bit short in logic no ?

So now that we establised Chirac is a Nazi according to straffos rules , lets see what straffo thinks about Chirac.  

In straffo's own words:

 

This means you are supporting a Nazi and would vote for him again - remember hitler was elected as well. This says your interests are supported by a Nazi. This says you think a Nazi reflects France correctly.

By all these then you too are a Nazi.  

ouch !
I never voted for him.

And the quote you are refering was ironic in it's context.
I reused the exact same sentence  a previous poster used.It was lame so was my post using the same terms.

So in conclusion:

diddly you straffo for muredeing 6 million jews and causing a war that killed 55 million people overall.

Conclusion don't work.

[Hortlund]

I applied your principles straffo. If you do like a nazi then you are a nazi...

yep

French murdered POWs right after WW2 - which is the same as murdering 6 million jews. So the French are Nazis.

hu ?

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LOL I must admit this is rather amusing. It is very simple Straffo, if someone can show that France killed a single POW after ww2, then according to your own twisted logic, France "is nazi".

If you do like a nazi then you are a nazi...remember.

[straffo]

don't speak about logic it's a part of the science you don't manage well .

[GRUNHERZ]

Known as an adept of "French Algeria", he was in charge of making war againsy the Algerian nationalist movement known as the FLN. This war had been started by the French socialist governement in 1954, with Mitterrand as Home Minister, in order to smash the nascent anticolonial movement. As Prime Minister, Michel Debré took responsibility for the terrorist operations of the French Army. These mopping up operation were codenamed "Maintaining the Order". Villages were burned to the ground, local farming populations were deported and put into concentration camps. Women were raped, burned and killed. Men were arrested and tortured. A flow of protest emerged in France itself and the government replied by censoring newspapers and banning a lot of books. In the United Nations, France was systematically condemned and got support only from Apartheid South Africa and Israel.


How bout this?...

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by straffo
don't speak about logic it's a part of the science you don't manage well .

Well lets see how your logic works straffo.

Straffo in another thread:
With this kind of post (Hangtime talking about boycotting french merchandise) I've trouble distiguishing some USA citizen from Nazi.
same behaviour == same scum.

Straffo:
You fail again to understand what is obviously simple :
if you act like a Nazi ... you are a Nazi.

Hortlund:
If the nazis lied, and you lie, does that make you a nazi straffo?

Straffo:
-avoiding the question.

Hortlund:
Why are you avoiding the question?

Straffo:
It's time for me to ask a question (avoiding the question again)

Hortlund:
You're the one saying "if you act like a nazi, you are a nazi". I could ask you how a person badmouthing another nation on a BB (like Yeager or Hangtime ...when you called them a nazi) compare to a nazi murdering 6 million innocent civilians...because I sure as **** dont see that connection.

Straffo:
Avoiding the question yet again. Shifting subject to torture.
"if you want to explain me how christian is it and non-nazi to torture some POWs I'm ready to listen.

Hortlund:
In some cases torture can be acceptable. (gives example)

Straffo:
in this case (talking about a specific example): yes

Hangtime:
I condone physical violence in pursuit timely information in circumstances where lives are at stake.. there IS a time and a place for torture.

Straffo:
No Hangtime I don't consider you to be a Nazi.
I just said that your post sounded like a nazi one.


So now I'm confused straffo.
At first you are accusing me of being a nazi because I think there are situations where torture is motivated. You say "if you act like a Nazi ... you are a Nazi". Then you say that torture is acceptable in some circumstances. Does that mean that you are a nazi too? But when Hangtime says HE thinks torture is acceptable in some situations, he is NOT a nazi?

Above I have asked you to answer the question: If you lie, does that make you a nazi? You have dodged that question three times, so I dont expect an answer now either…

[straffo]

If they were POW so are the guy in the Guantanamo bay.

You got trapped GRUN