Author Topic: America Admits Torture Deaths (Read 3339 times)

Toad · « **Reply #60 on:** March 11, 2003, 08:14:59 AM »

LOL.

You guys.

You already KNOW the answer to this.

If it happened as/during torture, the people who did it will be punished by the US military/government.

THERE'S the difference.

But go on pretending; you seem to enjoy it so.

Dowding · « **Reply #61 on:** March 11, 2003, 08:19:27 AM »

Well Toad, read the thread and you'd see we're arguing over whether torture should be used at all.

It seems to me that many on this board advocate its use.

Is torture condoned by the US government? I shouldn't think so.

Do many on this board think it should? Quite definitely.

straffo · « **Reply #62 on:** March 11, 2003, 08:34:38 AM »

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Originally posted by Hortlund
Some of you people are seriousy weird.

Lets see...torture captured terrorist to get them to reveal information about other terrorists ...slaughter and butcher 6 million jews, men, women, small children by gassing them in huge industrialized camps...

Yup same thing really. Same level. Yup.

Is it a rhetorical question ?

It's exactly the same.

You're definitively far from being a good christian if you've ever been one.

Toad · « **Reply #63 on:** March 11, 2003, 08:43:49 AM »

No, "torture" shouldn't be used at all and it is NOT the policy of the US government to do so.

If this was caused by torture, the responsible people will be punished. That's what makes the comparisons to the North Vietnamese and Nazis simply ludicrous.

Now, all you guys need to do is define "torture". We all think we know it "when we see it" but if you delve into the subject, consulting Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch, some people think sleep deprivation is "torture".

Pressure is going to be used to get information. Some forms of pressure are "acceptable" and others are not. I doubt there's a single approved list of "pressure methods" out there.

Do you know of one?

straffo · « **Reply #64 on:** March 11, 2003, 09:07:27 AM »

Sleep deprivation can have some strange effect and can be use to brainwash someone.

Pepe · « **Reply #65 on:** March 11, 2003, 09:10:56 AM »

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Originally posted by straffo
Sleep deprivation can have some strange effect and can be use to brainwash someone.

Is that why Bishops hate us Rooks so much?.....Uhh...you mean Sleep nad not Sheep....

Hortlund · « **Reply #66 on:** March 11, 2003, 09:16:43 AM »

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Originally posted by straffo
Is it a rhetorical question ?

It's exactly the same.

You're definitively far from being a good christian if you've ever been one.

Laying off personal attacks on me and/or my family seems to be really difficult for you straffo.

I'd answer your post, but I dont understand what you are trying to say.

I think any attempt to compare the holocaust to the torture of individual terrorists is a disgrace. It leaves a bad taste in the mouth, it is wrong ...cest wrougue or whatever that'd be in french.

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #67 on:** March 11, 2003, 09:22:19 AM »

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Originally posted by straffo
Sleep deprivation can have some strange effect and can be use to brainwash someone.

Up late again, straffo?

-- Todd/Leviathn

straffo · « **Reply #68 on:** March 11, 2003, 09:23:07 AM »

You fail again to understand what is obviously simple :

if you act like a Nazi ... you are a Nazi.

And I don't think any good christian could share your view of the "rational" use of torture.

Do you know that your sentence was used as a defense argument at Nuremberg ?

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torture captured terrorist to get them to reveal information about other terrorists

DMF : it's only 16:45 here

Hortlund · « **Reply #69 on:** March 11, 2003, 09:42:44 AM »

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Originally posted by straffo
You fail again to understand what is obviously simple :

if you act like a Nazi ... you are a Nazi.

*sigh* another idiotic statement. The logic is so flawed I honestly dont know where to begin arguing with it.

Lets try this:

If the nazis lied, and you lie, does that make you a nazi straffo?

If the nazis murdered 6 million innocent civilians and you kill two prisoners, does that make you a nazi straffo?

If the nazis built several autobahns across their country, and your government builds several autobahns across your country, does that make your government a nazi government?

straffo · « **Reply #70 on:** March 11, 2003, 09:53:13 AM »

When you speak of logic ... it remind me a thread were you explained your own personall view on scientific method it was very amusing.

Wasn't this discution subject about torture or was it about highway and lie ?

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If the nazis murdered 6 million innocent civilians and you kill two prisoners, does that make you a nazi straffo?

it make you a nazi.

Hortlund · « **Reply #71 on:** March 11, 2003, 10:02:33 AM »

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Originally posted by straffo
it make you a nazi.

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What about the other two examples straffo? I cant help but notice that you ignored them...

So which is it? Do you admit that your statement was ludicruous, or will we see you argue that everyone who lies is a nazi?

straffo · « **Reply #72 on:** March 11, 2003, 10:07:52 AM »

It's time for me to ask a question :

How does a lieing Nazi compare to a muderer Nazi ?

How does a highway builder Nazi compare to a muderer Nazi ?

Apple and orange you know ?

Hortlund · « **Reply #73 on:** March 11, 2003, 10:13:40 AM »

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Originally posted by straffo
It's time for me to ask a question :

How does a lieing Nazi compare to a muderer Nazi ?

How does a highway builder Nazi compare to a muderer Nazi ?

Apple and orange you know ?

I dont know straffo. You're the one saying "if you act like a nazi, you are a nazi". I could ask you how a person badmouthing another nation on a BB (like Yeager or Hangtime ...when you called them a nazi) compare to a nazi murdering 6 million innocent civilians...because I sure as **** dont see that connection.

BUT YOU DO.

SO...Nice try to weazel out of the question. Right now you have two options, either
a) admit that your initial statement was hopelessly wrong, and you are way out of line accusing everyone of being a nazi or
b) argue that anyone acting like a nazi are a nazi...and since the nazis lied, anyone lying must be a nazi too...according to your own logic.

straffo · « **Reply #74 on:** March 11, 2003, 10:21:25 AM »

Rotfl

I hope you understand your own post.

FYI I didn't try to expand the perimeter of the discution to the Highway builder or the liar.

You made alone made this stupid analogie.

Now if you want to explain me how christian is it (*) to torture some POWs I'm ready to listen.

I'm waiting your demonstration please try to avoid diverting.

(*) and non-nazi