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Offline BUG_EAF322

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« on: March 12, 2003, 01:39:58 AM »
Once licked Saddam saying he was a good leader
and  putted Iraq full with chemical technology.

All in the time Iraq was friend of the USA.

ironically

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« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2003, 01:48:19 AM »
Yes and saddam then betrayed us by threating our strategic interests with his kuwait invasion and upcoming attack on saudi arabia.  Then he lost the war and was ordered to disarm. He then tried to assasinate a former US president. He then began not complying with the order to disarm,  and did so until1998 when he "encouraged" the inspercors to leave. And now again he is not complying to disarm - even just today iraqi fighteres were scrambled to intercept UN controlled U-2 flights that iraq agreed to let in with a recent agreement.  All this happend over some 13 years up to today.

Yep its amazing what an overnight turnaround Rumsfeld has had on saddam hussein.

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« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2003, 01:53:39 AM »
Question :

What country was acting as a bank for Iraq during the 80's 90's period ?

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« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2003, 02:03:41 AM »
France

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« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2003, 02:12:40 AM »
try again.

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« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2003, 02:17:44 AM »
Didnt like the answer huh?

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« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2003, 02:20:20 AM »
it was not the good answer.

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« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2003, 02:29:36 AM »
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During the late 1970s, French companies started work on the Tamuz One nuclear reactor near Baghdad - designed to produce plutonium - and on a second reactor, Tamuz Two.

The first was destroyed by Israeli fighter bombers in 1981.

During the Iran-Iraq war, France was soon supplying Iraq with top level military hardware of its own.

All told, France sold some $25bn-worth of weaponry to Iraq before the UN embargo was imposed after the Gulf War.

A report commissioned by the French parliament published last September puts the value of French exports to Iraq since sanctions were imposed at $3.5bn.

Agnes Levallois, a specialist in business in the Middle East, cites the example of French pharmaceutical firms, all of whom she says sell antibiotics and other basic medicines in Iraq.

Even in 2001, France sold Iraq $650m-worth of goods, more than any other country, and was the Western country with the largest number of stands at last November's Baghdad Trade Fair.


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TotalFinaElf, France's huge oil firm, holds the contract to develop Iraq's southern Majnoon and Nahr Umar oil fields, which could contain as much as 25 percent of the country's reserves.


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In December 1999, the Iraqi newspaper Babel, edited by Saddam's elder son, Uday, warned France that its support for a U.S.-backed U.N. resolution toughening the existing trade sanctions could directly hurt French interests in Iraq.
     French oil firms might be forced to close their Baghdad offices and "lose the immense concessions which they have won but not yet exploited," wrote Abdel Razzak Hashemi, a former Iraqi ambassador to Paris. "The numerous advantages which French companies enjoy on the Iraqi market could also be halted."


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Mr. Hamza, the former Iraqi nuclear engineer, recalled in a recent Wall Street Journal opinion piece that many of the French projects in Iraq enjoyed huge profit markups.
     Saddam's regime paid $200 million for a small French research reactor in the mid-1970s that had a then-market price of about $50 million, Mr. Hamza recalled.
     "With these kinds of deals, is it any surprise that the French are so desperate to save Saddam's regime?" he asked.
     But it is French oil interests in Iraq that have attracted the most attention as the debate over war intensifies.
     Iraq has the world's second-largest proven oil reserves after Saudi Arabia's, and many of its most promising fields have been largely unexplored since the economic freeze imposed after the Gulf war.
     Russia and France have the largest contracts, while the major U.S. energy giants, including ChevronTexaco and ExxonMobil, have been largely shut out.

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« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2003, 02:36:45 AM »
you can quote the whole web it still won't be an answer.

as your blind anti-french sentiment look to perturbate your thought I'll give you a little help

one country cleared the debt
another got invaded.
« Last Edit: March 12, 2003, 02:40:24 AM by straffo »

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« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2003, 02:52:35 AM »
Wow he is blaming the kuwaits for saddam invasion, because of all things they expected to get their loans repayed.. He is  justifying the invasion because they wanted to get their loans repayed.

BTW dont even try to worm your way out by saying you arent making a justfication. Posing an argument like:

"one country cleared the debt
another got invaded"

Is clearly an attempt at justfication and rationalizantion.


I like that straffo, do you also think it was justified for Hitler to invade France because of the Versailles treaty?


Why on earth are you excusing this tyrant straffo? Why are you being so stupid?

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« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2003, 03:03:27 AM »
it was a simple question.

Can you just answer without interpreting my thought ?

If you think in lieu et place of me ,do you want me to give you my BBS password ?


Your whole post is an interpretation of what you think I'm thinking.

In no way it represent my thought.
Is that clear ?


I don't understand how this
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one country cleared the debt
another got invaded.


Can be interpreted as an unconditionnal support of Saddam
and a justification of Koweit invasion.

Please ,help me undertand.
« Last Edit: March 12, 2003, 03:05:42 AM by straffo »

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« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2003, 03:07:20 AM »


Lets me pose you a similar argument.


One set left Germany because they were terrified of Nazi threats.

The other set got gassed at Auschwitz.


This is the exact argument you made only now I apply it to something that might even make a person acting as stupidly as you are now understand what was wrong with what you said.

Understand? Is that clear?

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« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2003, 03:38:57 AM »
Seriously no I don't understand :(

I posted a message with a minimal content to avoid interpretation and I don't get were you got your interpretation of my mind.

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« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2003, 04:17:26 AM »
The absence of respect exists when u forget ur just a part of the whole thing.
:rolleyes:

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« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2003, 04:57:15 AM »
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
Once licked Saddam saying he was a good leader
and  putted Iraq full with chemical technology.

All in the time Iraq was friend of the USA.

ironically


Mistakes were made.  That's even more reason to rectify them.