Iran up to something?

[Rasker]

After World War I, when the defeated Ottoman Empire was being carved up among the western powers, it was proposed that Kurdistan be governed by the US as a League of Nations mandate.  As the Senate defeated US ratification of the Versailles Treaty and US membership in the League, the proposal became moot, and Kurdistan was divided between Turkey, the British mandate of Mesopotamia (Iraq) and the French mandate of Syria.  It's interesting to speculate how different the history of this area might have been if America had accepted this mandate, and ironic that we might wind up governing a good portion of this area and more beside (unless we manage to kick the post-war stuff back to the uN)

[Eaglecz]

Originally posted by Gyro/T69
From http://www.osirp.org/

Would the Iranians join Iraq against US/UK troops if and when the war beginnings?

Hehe check history of iran and then try to ask again ))

[Eaglecz]

Originally posted by crabofix
Didnt Iraq fly some mirage planes into Iran to hide from US?
Like 40 of em?


crabofix

well mate try to go to Iran and say I love Sadam... i guess you will some toons of rock imidietly )))

people of iran hate sadam.... ofcourse they do not like americanos as well
but they are very friendly and decent ...

anyway i will tell you more in few weeks

[Eaglecz]

Originally posted by babek-

2nd : Relationship between Iranians and Iraquis or Arabs

The Iranians consider the Arabs as their natural enemy.

Ask an iranian if he is an arab and he will feel deeply insulted.

The Iranians are from aryan race while arabs are from semite race. Always during the 2500 years old history of Iran there have been wars against the arabs.

In the 7th century the arabs conquered during their islamic conquest also Iran and destroyed the iranian Sassanid-dynasty Empire.

But in folling century while they occupated iranian territory they were not able to assimilite the Iranians. They were succesful in other old cultural nations - like in Egypt or Syria who gave up their specific language or religions and became part of the Arab EMpire.

But the iranians were succesful to protect their specific language, the Farsi, which is still spoken today.

Thats the reason why you will find in Iran more statues of the poets of this time than of great generals or kings who had conquered whole empires.

Thes poets were the men who had saved the iranian language and Omar Chayyam was right when he said that "the feather is stronger than the sword".

Also the Islam was modified by the Iranians.

Iran developed the Shiite religion of Islam, which has many elements of the old iranian religion which was used in the country before the islamic conquest.

Even the clothes the iranian mullahs are wearing today are the same style the old high-priests of the Sassanid Empire were wearing during the time before the arab conquest.


The idea that Iran would help Saddam is absurd.

But there is a great interest of the iranians to get more influence in Iraq, because it is the only nation beside Iran which has a shiite majority.

60% of the Iraquis are Shiites. Their religious leaders are in iranian exile. There is an army of shiite iraquis stationed in Iran near the iraqui southern border which waits to help their people when Saddam is eliminated or deposed.

Basra is the inofficial capital of the Shiites in Iraq and when the Saddam sunnite-military makes their propaganda parades through the streets of this city they feel like an occupation force in enemy territory.

When the USA will attack Iraq from the south they will we celebrated as liberators from the sunni/Saddam terror-regime.
It will be easy to kick out Saddams forces from Basra - the important question is, what happens in Basra after that event.

And the most important fact is, that in Iraq there are the most holy places of the Shiite religion. Kerbala is for Shiite of greater importance than Mekka or Jerusalem.

So - I dont think that Iran will help Saddam. They are waiting for the time after Saddam to get more influence with the shiites of Iraq.

WOW  Babek ... im impresed by your exact stuff
this guy know something about that region

[Eaglecz]

Originally posted by straffo
lol

naughty persian

ohhhh man you dont know what are you taling about .... i trough you wanted to say ... what a lovely persian !

[Eaglecz]

Originally posted by Ddriag
Curiously enough, about a month ago Goeff Hoon, the UK defence secretary stated that the UK reserved the right to use nuclear weapons if neccesary to defend British Troops in any conflict.  

Defend troops with nuclear weapons ???

LOL you will call me radical bastard  , but  im saying shot Mr. Goeff Hoon because he is absolutly retarded idiot

[Dowding]

At the risk of sounding like Hortlund, I can see this is going straight over your heads.

Why should I be out in the streets if Saddam unleashed WMD? He's a nut-case - we know that. But my government isn't and shouldn't be. It really is as simple as that.

[Gyro/T69]

"Why should I be out in the streets if Saddam unleashed WMD"

Gee... I guess I don't know. Here's an idea, to show your condolences for the murdered Jews or Kurds that would have died for no other reason that being Jews and Kurds?

Sound like a good reason?

[Siaf__csf]

Gyro clearly missed the point. Try again.

[SaburoS]

Originally posted by straffo
I still don't undertand how the Shah was able to get ride of the soviet in the north of Iran after WWII.

If my memory serves me correctly, the USSR was massing troops on their border with Iran. They were given a warning by the US was we were the only country to use the Atomic Bomb on another country and wouldn't hesitate to use it again. We gave the USSR 48 hrs to withdraw their offensive troops from the border. They had it cleared in 24 hours.