Highest scoring allied squad?

[StSanta]

JG 52 under Hrabak scored 10 000 kills.

JG 54 scored 9400 kills, with 600 losses.

How did allied squads fare?

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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger, you have lost your battle."
- D. Hrabak, JG 54 "Grünherz"

[LLv34_Camouflage]

Dunno about the allies, but Lentolaivue 34 achieved 345 confirmed kills with its MTs between Mar 13th 1943 and Sept 4th 1944 while losing only 30 planes (of which 13 in air combat, 5 in A-A fire, 7 in accidents and 5 due to technical faults). 12 pilots were killed or missing and 1 became POW.

During the continuation war (6/41-9/44) the Finns achieved 1567 air victories. 550 of these were won during 1944. Own casualties were 536 planes of which 209 in combat. 155 Finnish pilots achieved air victories, 87 of them had 5 or more kills.

Camo


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Camouflage
XO, Lentolaivue 34
 www.muodos.fi/LLv34

Brewster into AH!

"The really good pilots use their superior judgement to keep them out of situations
where they might be required to demonstrate their superior skill."

[StSanta]

The Finns did great, but we'd expect them to, since they weren't allied farmboy opportunist idiots, but hard drinking dangerous weirdos.

 

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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger, you have lost your battle."
- D. Hrabak, JG 54 "Grünherz"

[funked]

JG's are not squadrons.  Each JG had 9-12 squadrons.

[Staga]

Santa we're not "Hard drinking weirdos". Thought because our restaurants are closing their doors at 3-4am some of my friends are building a private club with taps for beer-kegs, soda machines, flippers and computer-guided disco-lights and strobos over the dance floor. Locks on the doors are also computer controlled with magnetic keys and of course there's a surveillance camera over the front door  

btw the bar's desk is coated with marmory plates and it looks better than in some restaurants  

[-ammo-]

56th FG talleyed 1005.5 kills at the end of the war, with the loss of 168 P-47's. They were the only squadron from its activation throughout the end of the War that flew the P-47 and only the P-47. With the exception of 1 "droopsnoot" P-38. 36 pilots were captuerd and spent their last days as POW's, 8 evaded capture, 84 were KIA, and another 48 were killed in accidents. 18 piltos recieved the nations second hjighest award for bravery, the Distinguished Service Cross.

447 total missions, 64,302 flying hours, 19,391 sorties.

total of 3,063,345 rounds of 50 cal fired

not bad

4th FG was only 3 kills behind the 56th with 1002 at the end of the war.

[Kirin]

Funked - as far as I know my motherlanguage, squadron = Geschwader - what u mean are Staffeln perhaps?

[StSanta]

Funked, Nath made a nice writeup on the strctures of jagdgeschwaders. it can be found at our home page under the "history" link.
 http://pobox2.zyan.com/~nath/site/



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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger, you have lost your battle."
- D. Hrabak, JG 54 "Grünherz"

[AKSeaWulfe]

Funked, Kirin is correct. Of course the most invaluable reference I've found for various meanings of German words and references is the book "JG26: Top Guns of the Luftwaffe".
EDIT: Staffel means squadron. Staffeln is the plural form. So I guess in a sense Funked is correct. Jagdgeschwader means fighter wing, which are several Gruppen(groups).
Good book, good information in the back of the book.
-SW

[This message has been edited by AKSeaWulfe (edited 03-27-2001).]

[-ammo-]

 

Originally posted by AKSeaWulfe:
Funked, Kirin is correct. Of course the most invaluable reference I've found for various meanings of German words and references is the book "JG26: Top Guns of the Luftwaffe".
EDIT: Staffel means squadron. Staffeln is the plural form. So I guess in a sense Funked is correct. Jagdgeschwader means fighter wing, which are several Gruppen(groups).
Good book, good information in the back of the book.
-SW

[This message has been edited by AKSeaWulfe (edited 03-27-2001).]

good book, awesome read.

[Pyro]

 

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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations

[GRUNHERZ]

O O This from the fella that builds our planes.  

I love the cartoon tho.

[-ammo-]

Ohhh the irony Pyro such a valid point.

ammo

[funked]

I am not arguing the literal translation of the word Jagdgeschwader.  And Santa I am quite aware of the structure of the Jagdwaffe.  However it appears you are not aware of the structure of Allied fighter units.  

For the USAAF and RAF, a Squadron was about 12 planes.  The Luftwaffe unit of similar size was the Staffel.  In military terms Staffel = Squadron.

A Gruppe is about the same as an RAF Wing or a USAAF Fighter Group.

A Jagdgeschwader is about the same as an RAF Group, and I don't know what the USAAF term was for a unit of that size.

[This message has been edited by funked (edited 03-27-2001).]

[StSanta]

Heh but you ere wrong funked.

And I love pointing it out.

That I was too is a secondary matter.

Pttffh!

 

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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger, you have lost your battle."
- D. Hrabak, JG 54 "Grünherz"