I believe the U.S should care about what euro's think

[X2Lee]

Originally posted by Cherlie
The world feeeling towards U.S is at a all time low.

We have seen cracks at the U.N

You have North Korea and Iran with Nukes or trying to get nukes.

Becoming enermies with Germany and France is not a good idea too.

I agree we need to take out Saddam but don't be too "we are the best" or it will come and bite you in the arse.

Same with my beloved England.

Maybe take out North Korea first?

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CB

Relations with  countries overseas take a backseat to keeping our kids safe.
Its nice to have friends but not at the cost of your childrens future.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by blitz



Slowly i begin to think the Anti-Christ is here



Regards Blitz




America is threatened by Iraq in no way, it's just plain rediculous

But wasnt this the Bush Crusade against Islam and intent on slaughtering and punishing all muslims?

Wow must be confusing for you being such a lunatic blitz...

[OZkansas]

Originally posted by Cherlie
The world feeeling towards U.S is at a all time low.

We have seen cracks at the U.N

You have North Korea and Iran with Nukes or trying to get nukes.

Becoming enermies with Germany and France is not a good idea too.

I agree we need to take out Saddam but don't be too "we are the best" or it will come and bite you in the arse.

Same with my beloved England.

Maybe take out North Korea first?

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CB

Geez, I wonder why there are 30+ bombers on Guam?

[Batz]

The message for the rest of the world is that if the U.S. gets smacked, we will strike the most convenient third world tyrant we can find and fabricate reasons to do so.

Well not any third world Nation just the ones our government identifies as pro terrorist. The whole Axis of evil thing. And yes it sends one Helluva msg. Along the same lines as "assured mutual destruction" during the cold war. Only the US will give more then it gets.

I am not "right wing btw", I am not Christian or Conservative or a even republican. Just because you are on the left doesnt mean any who disagrees with you is on the right.

Your question wasnt dodged I answered it, who cares what the UN thinks, Isreal is not a threat to the US and if they violate UN sanctions I dont care anything about that. Just I dont care about France's violating the UN in Afrika and the Russians in regards to the Chechens or China is regards to tibet etc.....

I am certainly not pro-Israel and you search for post under my old nic wotan. But I never used the bs UN arguement.

[Dowding]

So providing you are Israel, you can violate all the UN sanctions you like?

And the Arabs say the West is biased towards Israel! How dare they!

It would be nice to have some even handedness.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Batz
Your question wasnt dodged I answered it, who cares what the UN thinks, Isreal is not a threat to the US and if they violate UN sanctions I dont care anything about that. Just I dont care about France's violating the UN in Afrika and the Russians in regards to the Chechens or China is regards to tibet etc.....

I am certainly not pro-Israel and you search for post under my old nic wotan. But I never used the bs UN arguement.

Batz... that wasn't my point. The point was that the U.S. is harping on 1441 has the reason to take down Hussein. Meanwhile there are plenty of resolutions also in a state of breach, but the violators are friends of the U.S. It's not about Israel per se... it's about selective enforcement of U.N. resolutions.

[Batz]

No read what I said. I dont care anything about the UN or its dealings with any Nation. I never use the UN to support anything I say.

It has nothing to do with Israel. As a matter fact I have advocated arming the palestinians to the same degree that we (the US) aided in arming Israel. Absent that I suggested that the us with draw all support for both sides.

[rc51]

Why should US government listen to Europe? They listen not even to the pope or their own churches

LOL we dont listen to the pope cause all the freekin priest are butt humpin out little boys.
maybe the catholic church needs to worry more about it own back yard before it starts handing out advice.

[Sandman]

Well... if you don't care about the U.N. (1441 is irrelevant) and if we can agree that Iraq had nothing to do with the attacks of 911...

Why are we attacking Iraq?

[Batz]

No its not, the US said early on that the UN was irrelevant to what actions they deemed necessary. It was the powell faction in the Bush government that convinced bush to go to the UN to get 1441. Lots of other folks feel this was a mistake to begin with.

Rumsfeld and Cheney thought this would end up just like it did. Months of delay and hand wringing.

Now once the US went the UN route and got 1441 ofcourse they will use that to support their position. But from early on Bush said the UN wouldnt have the final say.

It was clearly a mistake trying to push a second resolution through and Even Powell conseded so. This was done dor our allies.



fyi
why dont you put the full quote of Edith Cavell's last words in your sig?

[Batz]

Iraq has been interested in wmd for a long time. Iraq has given money to terrorist. The potential is there that he might give aid to terror groups in the future. The type that would use WMD against the US.

The idea behind the Bush Doctrine is prevention and pre-emption.

But Saddam is an easy target and can be used to send a resounding message that US has changed it policy. Dont under estimated the scale of that message.

Also in the long term Iraq is the one Nation in that region that has potential to be rebuilt as a democracy. They are secular, plural and have had a taste of democracy in the past.

On top of all that hes a really mean guy who kills his own people, gassed his neighbors etc... A perfect target to be made an example of.

Saddam is gone already its matter of a few weeks. What happens afterward will tell us whether the Bush Doctrine will work.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Batz
fyi
why dont you put the full quote of Edith Cavell's last words in your sig?

This part? "I expected my sentence and believe it was just.  Standing, as I do, in the view of God and eternity..."

[Batz]

yup that would be it, after all those were her last words....

[OZkansas]

Originally posted by Batz
Iraq has been interested in wmd for a long time. Iraq has given money to terrorist. The potential is there that he might give aid to terror groups in the future. The type that would use WMD against the US.

The idea behind the Bush Doctrine is prevention and pre-emption.

But Saddam is an easy target and can be used to send a resounding message that US has changed it policy. Dont under estimated the scale of that message.

Also in the long term Iraq is the one Nation in that region that has potential to be rebuilt as a democracy. They are secular, plural and have had a taste of democracy in the past.

On top of all that hes a really mean guy who kills his own people, gassed his neighbors etc... A perfect target to be made an example of.

Saddam is gone already its matter of a few weeks. What happens afterward will tell us whether the Bush Doctrine will work.

I have a feeling that the Iranian government may also fall as their population (mostly under 30) desire freedom from their Islamic oppressors.

[barfo]

Look what this idiot (called Bush) has done to the U.S. Who the hell voted for this nut? Whoever you are out there, you deserve what he's going to do to your quality of life.

This president is absolutely the worst I've seen in my 46 years. It's still unbelieveable that he got elected but then Gore, and Nader weren't much of a challenge (vote-wise).

This war crap is all about Bush and not Saddam. Get a clue damnit!!

Barfo